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To: Ilaine who wrote (22023)	3/23/2002 12:36:17 PM
From: gamesmistress	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't blame everything on Chamberlain, he was far from alone in his beliefs (most people supported his going to Munich), but that doesn't make him any less wrong or less responsible for his actions. His appeasement mentality was obvious from the start of his accession to the Prime Ministership in May 1937, and it's also clear that he hadn't a clue about what Hitler was really up to (guess he didn't read - or believe - Mein Kampf). All through the 30's, though, Britain and France kept making concessions to Hitler - broken treaties, troop buildup and movements, etc - none of it brought any decisive action from them. Chamberlain condoned the Anschluss and it was in fact welcomed by a LOT of Austrians - don't know how many, but the idea that they were "victims" of Hitler is not exactly so. Truth is I think neither Britain nor France had the stomach for another war. France damn near bled to death in WWI and didn't have the strength or the will to fight again. If Britain had not realized the importance of air warfare and developed the RAF and radar they could not have held Germany off either. I agree, if Hitler had not opened a two front war by invading the Soviet Union before Britain was defeated (and delayed the invasion by 4 weeks to crush Yugoslavia, practically guaranteeing they could not succeed before winter), plus telling the Japanese that Germany would declare war on the US if the Japanese attacked us, the outcome might have been very different. I think the incremental approach to "getting rid of undesirables" shows Hitler's evil genius and understanding of psychology. Why should the average German care what happens to someone who is not like him, who is a troublemaker, or a drain on society? Just take care of ME. Hitler played on this attitude like a virtuoso. Of course, when reality sinks in...

To: Ilaine who wrote (22023)	3/23/2002 1:02:16 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't blame anyone but the Germans for not stopping Hitler CB: Oh how true your statement of reasoning is. During the rise and proliferation of this " movement ", ALL there were NAZIS and publicly displayed their affection for Mien Herr Hitler and his policies. Yet, as soon as they lost you could not find a NAZI anywhere.They scattered far wide to enclaves like Canada , South America and so on ,taking with them their spoils of war looting and over the years used that leverage to manipulate themselves into positions of power or influence. The remaining Germans denied any involvement in the attempted conquest and used the " I was just following orders " song and dance to distance themselves from that which so many embraced during their " victories ". The GODDAM NAZIS are still around today in every walk of life - wielding their authoritarian influence to all who will follow and appease their insatiable appetite for power and influence, for WE know the Arian Race is indeed superior,don't " we ". heh heh heh And now I read Germany is having a problem with immigration, but the bases for this is not from an economic position as they would like us to believe,but from a purely RACIST one.Some things never change. I think about the poor SOB Jews of that age and how they must have longed for interdiction from a superior force to eliminate the threat of their very existance.How they must have gone to bed each night wondering if when they awoke it would be because they were about to die. But here we have government spokespersons from far and wide declaring the tactics of the Zionists or Israeli G'vt or Jews ( are they all one and the same ? )are frighteningly parallel to those of NAZI Germany!! I mostly don't agree with this thinking, however, until the region can distance ideology from faith from popular governmental principals , I don't see a solution here. No matter what each one does it will be construed to or considered as just another brick in the wall of intolerance and of self serving idealism . Ring any bells? Should North America again step into the fray and take sides to preserve that way of life , or should it let the the Mid East take care of its own situation? I think it's about time for this region to grow up and quit relying on the infidels they hate so much to solve all their problems.If that means war -- then so be it. JMHO --- KC