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To: Eclectus who wrote (83665)	3/23/2002 3:11:55 PM
From: Stephen O	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

America only came into WW2 after Pearl Harbour, IOW they had to be attacked first. America was very late into WW1, 1917 I believe and wasn't that as a result of a ship being sunk in the Atlantic.

To: Eclectus who wrote (83665)	3/23/2002 3:17:49 PM
From: c.hinton	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

It would be more precise to say "ungreatful european leaders".Often I have been told by older people in germany, france and italy of how thankful they were of the US for liberation and post war aid for food and reconstruction. PS .We all know how hard it is for politiciens to doff their hats and tug their forelocks in submisive thanks.

To: Eclectus who wrote (83665)	3/23/2002 3:35:04 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116753

Eclectus: It is true the U.S. contributed much to the reconstruction of Europe in the aftermath of WWII. But don't forget one important factor: The Cold War had started and there was that morbid fear of the communist Soviet Union and the so-called "Red" Hordes elsewhere. So, in helping western Europe, the U.S. was actually protecting its ass, too, whilst at the same time strengthening its political influence abroad. To be sure, the U.S. did not help out of pure altruism: it had its ulterior motives, too. And Europe was an excellent provider of top rank scientists and engineers and manpower in general for the scientific endeavors and industries of the U.S. And with western Europe under its influence, it apparently felt safer. As the saying goes, "There is safety in numbers." Richnorth

To: Eclectus who wrote (83665)	3/23/2002 7:23:06 PM
From: Enigma	Respond to of 116753

Electus - I am referring to the here and now. Yes, America by it's late intervention and massive troop strength 'won' both wars but not before millions died in Europe. But I'm talking about the present situation where the so called war on terrorism is being expanded into a wider war to settle old scores - even into the Phillipines for God's sakes. It's possible to be informed in the States through the alternative press, NPR etc., but people who rely on the network news, local papers even the NY Times and Washington Post are being fed the official line whole - hook line and sinker. The American people are as decent as they come -no more no less than Canadians, British, Europeans, other nations, but we're seeing a mad wave of emotion which makes the populace susceptible to manipulation.