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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (22086)	3/24/2002 5:08:21 AM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 281500

> the kind of mood in which the leadership just can't wait to get into another war like a dog in heat...

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (22086)	3/24/2002 2:07:48 PM
From: 10K a day	Respond to of 281500

> I remain, however, very disturbed by the American triumphalism of the moment, the kind of mood in which the leadership just can't wait to get into another war Like a one eye'd zombie with my finger on the button. Get a hold of yourself, Man. *Love makes' me stupid...* (great song by Mumbo Gumbo, BTW ((I digress)) I'm not a doctor, But i play one on TV. I think bush is experiencing post traumatic hallucinations manifested by omnipresent self projecting visions of evil. The ever present brainstem logic is not making it to higher cortical regions. Like a quick reaction fast track fiber, the subcortical regions don't have time to process things. We are trapped in an infinite loop that can't make it to higher brain centers. Once in a while we make it up past the amygdala,,,Only to be struck down by the evil short circuited neuron pathways of damaged regions. The optical fibers may even be effected to some degree...(we have motor clearance)...As we are reading the script but can't quite make reference to what is actually being said. (sympathetic nervous system is firing on all cylinders..we have sweating, we have hair follicles). I think it's like being trapped inside the mind of someone who's had a midbrain stroke and balance is severely in question. Excellent innervation to emotional centers of the brain however, We have to go with our strength. We have to get inside the mind of these crazy evil people...and figure out what is making them fire. Like a match without a lightbulb. Like a fish without a storm. Hey....It's not always logic that makes this country great. before you can understand the crazy people....You have to be one...You have to experience it...You have to get inside their mind like you are eating their lunch...Yum. That tasted good....

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (22086)	3/24/2002 8:53:55 PM
From: tekboy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

nor is Iraq regarded as another war, but a continuation of the war that began on September 11th I agree that's how it's being sold. I'm not sure if they actually believe that themselves, and I am sure that it's pure BS. Unless one defines "the war that began on September 11th" as "us vs. all those in the Middle East who threaten our interests"--which is obviously an absurdly broad definition for a "war"--then I don't see how Iraq and al Qaeda are in the same category. Some of these guys wanted to do Iraq before 9/11, and have seized on the current crisis as an opportunity to go for it. As Michael Corleone said, "today we take care of all family business" (or something like that). Now in some respects that's smart and entirely legitimate--carpe diem and all that--but we should be clear about what's going on. Sometimes the Weekly Standard crowd scares me, because I'm not certain whether they're cynical or crazy. The former is ok, if a bit slimy. The latter is more honest, but dangerous... tb

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (22086)	3/25/2002 2:57:56 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't sense that the mood is particularly triumphant, nor is Iraq regarded as another war, but a continuation of the war that began on September 11th. That war came out of Arabia and cannot be finished in Afghanistan. Iraq is the opportunity, as frank said on this thread This deserves a comment but I'm in much too light a mood to do it justice. A short comment, however. It's clear we read things dramatically different. It's clear those National Review, Weekly Standard, Hanson, et al posts you put up on thread are about nothing else but. However, they are not the national media, at least not yet. It's not surprising that Fox just can't wait for the next one. You can see the itch just waiting to be scratched. With MSNBC and CNN, it's a bit more nuanced; depends on which generals are on for the day. As for the connection you make between Al-Qaida and Iraq, that still has to be demonstrated. And any war against Iraq should be looked on as a separate event, requiring congressional debate and approval. Thus, I'm going to vote for Torricelli. Six months ago I was certain he wouldn't make it thru a primary. Now his most well known opponent is the last Watergate prosecutor. If there was ever a nonstarter of political career in Jersey, that strikes me as one. Of course, T will vote for a war. And I might agree when such a vote occurs, given whatever new evidence comes to light. John