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To: average joe who wrote (11933)	3/25/2002 5:45:44 AM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

I expect mushrooms had much to do with early mystical experiences throughout many cultures , and many religions had their start with these drug fertility~cult beginnings. Very common over many cross-cultural boundries . Funny , one of the first scholars to get his hands on the dead sea scrolls , John M Allegro who was a young savant in ancient languages , wrote a book long ago called: "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross " Caused a great stirr when it came out , as he argued that his findings showed the earliest roots of christianity was a fertility and drug/sacrament cult. Showing just how many radical interpretations of the Bible are actually possible . It's more persuasive than you might at first blush think -- despite being radically off the wall, it is built on very solid etymological evidence. ( Allegro can notice puns and word-play in/between hebrew and sumerian always amazed me). When Allegro translated the meaning of the word "Christ " as the --->"annointed one " ....and it's literal meaning farther back in those times and in the older language usage was : " he that arises ( is born ) from no apparent source or seed " (or virgin birth) So he was led to conclude that Jesus may have been a wandering Rabbai who was later made into the Christ , but the first earlier original reference was to a "Christ" was to arise out of this more ancient fertility-cult that was using mushrooms as a sacrament .

To: average joe who wrote (11933)	3/25/2002 5:47:30 AM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Here's the description back leaflet of Allegro's book , very radical as I said, but an interesting take on the earliest forunner to the "respectable" Christianity we know today: Fun read this , but you know they would deny (deNile) it completely ...severing the ties to the older Hebrew religion and murderer of the "Christ", was uppermost in the new Churches minds. Sacred Mushroom and the Cross "A MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH in our understanding of the origin and nature of the languages of the Bible has made possible the decipherment of the names of the Jewish God and the patriarchs, and now shows the religion of the Israelites and their inheritors, the Christians, to have been founded on a very ancient fertility cult centered on the worship of the sacred mushroom, the red-topped Amanita Muscaria. After many years of studying the origins and roots of words common to the Sumerian and later Middle Eastern languages, John Allegro believes that many of the stories and characters, and much of the authority and historical probabilities existent in both Old and New Testament must be examined afresh. Biblical stories, previously supposed at least partly historical, now appear as mushroom myths, conforming to a pattern of such mythology throughout the ancient Near East and classical writings. When, later, the mushroom cult because sophisticated into a mystery religion, involving drug-taking and frenzied god-possessed orgies with political overtones, it ran foul of the authorities. To avoid persecution, its devotees transmitted their secret formulae in adaptations of the old mythologies, and it is to such cryptic devices that we owe the Jesus stories of the New Testimate. The Roman persecutors of the early Christians were probably not deceived by the tale of the crucified Jewish rabbi, but the later Church purged away disturbing reminders of it's cultic origins in the cause of "respectability", and thereafter preached an historical Jesus. "The mushroom has always been a thing of mystery. The ancients were puzzled by its manner of growth without seed, the speed with which it made it appearance after rain, and its as rapid disappearance. Born from a volva or 'egg' it appears like a small penis, raising itself like the human organ sexually aroused, and when it spread wide its canopy the old botanists saw it as a phallus, bearing the 'burden' of a woman's groin. Every aspect of the mushroom's existence was fraught with sexual allusions, and in its phallic form the ancients saw a replica of the fertility god himself. It was the 'son of God', its drug was a purer form of the god's own spermatozoa than that discoverable in any other form of living matter. It was, in fact, God himself, manifest on earth. To the mystic it was the divinely given means of entering heaven; God had come down in the flesh to show the way to himself by himself." " * It very well could explain also , why Moses & co were wandering around lost in the desert for 40 years and seeing burning bushes . <g> ;-)

To: average joe who wrote (11933)	3/25/2002 7:33:16 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I'm invited to a Lakota trail ride in June and they always have their sweat lodge mushroom/peyote thing going. That could be quite an "experience" , not sure I could survive peyote and a sweat-lodge at the same time , but I'm sure the setting would be pretty fantastic in the early spring? I want to go over to Colorado and maybe down to New Mexico and AZ for the spring bloom and rebirth...most all Deserts are "Holy" during these times . No wonder so many "prophets" came from them. These are just as real as any Catholic mass , or Sunday service , or pilgrimage to mecca could ever be...these people need to get out more (of their boxes) , and see the world <g>