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To: bacchus_ii who wrote (143530)	3/26/2002 2:40:29 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1583869

3) the main plea in my reply to TED was that it was not ant-American nether. Gottfried, I am disappointed that you did not bother to respond to my post. In any case, you may not have intended to come across as anti American but let me say that the comments in your post came across like those made in the past by the foreign press. In those representations, Americans have been portrayed as a cross between buffoons and ostriches with their collective head in the sand when it comes to more sophisticated fare such as international politics and events. Whether it was intentional or not intentional, your post managed to conjure up that same image one more time; that we are denied the truth by our media but it doesn't matter because we are not savvy enough to care about getting to the truth. And most of those 500,000 don’t know the dark side of the truth: The Israeli public is dumbfounded by this terrible phenomenon. It cannot understand it, because it does not know (and perhaps does not want to know) what has happened in the Palestinian towns and villages. Only feeble echoes of what really happened have reached it. The obedient media suppress the information, or water it down so that the monster looks like a harmless pet. The television, which is now subject to Soviet-style censorship, does not tell its viewers what is going on. If somebody is allowed to say a few words about it, for the sake of "balance", the words are drowned in a sea of chatter by politicians, commentators acting as unofficial spokespersons and the generals who caused the havoc. mediamonitors.net; First, this publication affirms what I said in my posts to you............American media is not monolithic but made up of many different publications with diverse views and platforms. MMN is an American media outlet coming out of CA. Secondly, MMN claims to be unbiased and non political. How can we be sure of that? Do you think the editor and cofounder, Mohammad Ali Khan, is unbiased when it comes to the Arab/Israeli conflict? Why is the main stream press not picking up on MMN's point of view........I mean we knew that the Israelis were aggressive in their attacks on Palestine but this article makes the Israelis look to be basically one level above the Nazis in the way they are dealing with the Palestinians? So if not the mainstream US press, why not Canada's mainstream press or Germany's or Sweden's? And if not the world's mainstream press, why not the ultra liberal press in the US or other developed nations? Is it possible that MMN's view is biased against the Israelis? Is MMN really telling the truth? I don't know, do you? P.S: My vote worth noting if I'm misinformed or disinformed. Democracy rely on journalist integrity and there professionalism. This of course is very true. I would have an easier time believing in MMN's views re the Israeli treatment of Palestine if there was another media outlet echoing their position. And I also want to say that I don't mean to make my comments into a personal attack if that's the way they are coming across to you. You struck a chord that caused me to respond. Nonetheless, I enjoy discussing this issue with you..........if nothing else, it helps me to see a view of things from a different perspective. And it certainly hasn't changed my opinion of you. FWIW,I hope you won't be recalcitrant to respond in the future. ted

To: bacchus_ii who wrote (143530)	3/26/2002 2:17:01 PM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1583869

>The Israeli public is dumbfounded by this terrible phenomenon. It cannot understand it, because it does not know (and perhaps does not want to know) what has happened in the Palestinian towns and villages. Only feeble echoes of what really happened have reached it. The obedient media suppress the information, or water it down so that the monster looks like a harmless pet. The television, which is now subject to Soviet-style censorship, does not tell its viewers what is going on. If somebody is allowed to say a few words about it, for the sake of "balance", the words are drowned in a sea of chatter by politicians, commentators acting as unofficial spokespersons and the generals who caused the havoc. That's so BS. There are a number of Israeli news sources on the left, including Ha-aretz (http://www.haaretzdaily.com) which tend to be very leftist, and there are right wing sources, such as Arutz-7 (http://www.israelnationalnews.com). Very little, if anything is being held from Israeli citizens. You seem to think that Israel is a fascist country, which it isn't. In addition to a very diverse and open media, Israel also has access to all of the American and European media as well. On the other hand, much of what goes on in the Palestinian world is difficult to capture. Marwan Barghouti, leader of Arafat's Fatah movement, declared that any Israeli journalist found in the territories is to be shot. There are also many stories of western journalists being beaten and threatened if they take video or pictures of things that the Palestinians don't want the west to see, like the celebrations on 9/11. The PA actually issued a warning on 9/11 that they couldn't "guarantee the lives" of any cameraman who took footage of the incidents. >And most of those 500,000 don’t know the dark side of the truth Huh? Remember, army service in Israel is compulsory. Most of those 500,000 have served in the army. They see what goes on. 272 conscientious objectors is very low. We had tons of 'em in Vietnam, which IMO was a war fought for a good cause, but not handled very well, and few of those objectors had ever been in the army. You are so off-base it's disgusting. -Z