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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E. T. who wrote (1749)	3/26/2002 12:59:57 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 32591

Sure, they is massive hate on both sides, and both sides will have to work for peace. That's why educating for peace was one of the promises Arafat made at Oslo...of course, his education ministry and Voice of Palestine have done nothing except tell Palestinian to hate and kill Jews. The Israelis want peace, but they want to be standing at the end of it. If they didn't want peace, why did Barak offer 95% of the territories? I'm not saying the Israelis are perfect, but they have sometimes worked for peace. Arafat -- never. Yes, the ambulance situation is terrible. Believe me, I'm sure the Israelis would rather let the ambulances right through, if they could be sure that they were not carrying guns or bombs. Unfortunately, the Red Crescent track record is terrible in that respect. They are regularly used to run guns. So whose fault is it, really? When the Israelis did their first camp incursion a couple of weeks ago, they let ambulances through, and saw them drop off guns and pick up gunmen, who used them to escape. Therefore, in the second camp incursion, they didn't let the ambulances through anymore.

To: E. T. who wrote (1749)	3/26/2002 1:19:11 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 32591

I try not to hate anybody who is arguing honestly. Haim and I have both been burned by arguing with anti-Semites who adopt the pose of anti-Zionist feeling for Palestinian suffering, but who really just hate Jews and cannot be budged from their positions by any facts, and just sound like broken records. The Jews do have bad consciences towards Palestinian suffering; the Zionists were a moral lot and wanted to build their country in a very rundown neighborhood without hurting anybody. They really hoped that the local Arabs would trade their improved standard of living for being ruled by Jews, since they had never ruled themselves anyway. Of course, people don't think like that, and especially not Arabs. Contemporary Palestinians (particularly westernized ones like Said) have learned to pitch their argument towards liberal westerners. There's a lot of true stuff in it, but they carefully remove it from its original context and impose a huge moral double standard. Humane, liberal behavior is demanded of the Jews, but not the Arabs (particularly not the other Arab regimes, who are responsible for most of the Palestinians' suffering), and the small fact that the Jews would not be there anymore -- period -- if Israel had lost even one of the four wars is conveniently forgotten. Isn't it possible because of military censoring, that the full scope of the forced expulsion is not known. The Israeli records were opened after 30 years. That's how someone like Benny Morris (not a very trustworthy historian) could write Righteous Victims. But it's a one-sided picture, since no Arab government records have been opened. Israel continually suffers because it runs a free press and MUCH less censorship than any Arab country.

To: E. T. who wrote (1749)	3/26/2002 2:58:42 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

He said he wanted peace, but he didn't know how it will ever happen because of the hate on both sides. Arafat's Harvest of Hate By Charles Krauthammer Tuesday, March 26, 2002; Page A19 Sept. 11 awakened Americans to the anti-American vitriol in the state-controlled media of such apparently friendly states as Egypt and Saudi Arabia. We are just beginning to understand how a daily diet of hatred fed through schools and the media -- a hatred quietly incubating for years -- found its most perfect expression in the slaughter of Sept. 11. We have failed, however, to see how a similar campaign of hate has laid the groundwork for the orgy of murder-suicide the Palestinians are now engaged in. A mother appears on videotape proudly sending her 18-year-old to his death just so he can kill as many Jews as possible. This is unprecedented. Before the Oslo peace accords of 1993, suicide bombing was a practice almost unheard of among Palestinians. And it is not as if they had no grievances before 1993. On the contrary. The advent of suicide bombing coincides precisely with the era of Israeli conciliation and peacemaking: recognition of the PLO, repeated concessions of territory, establishment of the Palestinian Authority, acceptance of an armed Palestinian police -- all culminating in the unprecedented offer of an independent Palestinian state with its capital in a shared Jerusalem. It is precisely in the context of the most accommodating, most conciliatory, most dovish Israeli policy in history that the suicide bombings took hold. Where, then, did they come from? During the past eight years -- the years of the Oslo "peace process" -- Yasser Arafat had complete control of all the organs of Palestinian education and propaganda. It takes an unspeakable hatred for people to send their children to commit Columbine-like murder-suicide. Arafat taught it. His television, his newspapers, his clerics have inculcated an anti-Semitism unmatched in virulence since Nazi Germany. When U.S. peace negotiator Dennis Ross stepped down last year, he acknowledged, to his credit, that a major error of diplomacy in the Clinton years was turning a diplomatic blind eye to the poisonous incitement in Palestinian media. Just as Osama bin Laden spent the '90s indoctrinating and infiltrating in preparation for murder, Arafat raised an entire generation schooled in hatred of the "Judeo-Nazis." This indoctrination goes far beyond expunging Israel, literally, from Palestinian maps. It goes far beyond denying, indeed ridiculing, the Holocaust as a Jewish fantasy. It consists of the rawest incitement to murder, as in this sermon by Arafat-appointed and Arafat-funded Ahmad Abu Halabiya broadcast live on official Palestinian Authority television early in the Intifada. The subject is "the Jews." (Note: not the Israelis, but the Jews.) "They must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands.' . . . Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them." The rationale offered for such murderousness is Jewish villainy as taught not just in Palestine but throughout the Arab world. On March 10, for example, an article in the official Saudi newspaper al-Riyadh described in rich detail how the Jews ritually slaughter Christian and Muslim children to use their blood in their holiday foods. With almost comic pseudo-scholarship, it explained that for one holiday (Purim) the Jew must kill an adolescent, but for Passover the victim must be 10 years or younger. When the article achieved wide notoriety in translation, the editor apologized under pressure. He said he had been out of town when the article appeared. An odd excuse, given the fact that this elaborate blood libel ran as a two-part series. A precondition for peace is to prepare your people for peace. Egypt's Anwar Sadat did that after signing his peace treaty with Israel. The Israelis did that after signing Oslo. They changed their textbooks and altered their civic culture to recognize and accept the Palestinians. On the 50th anniversary of Israel's independence, for example, Israel Television aired an epic multipart historical documentary that offered a view of the Palestinians that was deeply sympathetic and understanding. While Israeli leaders, both political and intellectual, were preparing their people for peace, Arafat was preparing his people for war -- the war he unleashed two months after rejecting Israel's Camp David peace offer of July 2000 -- with an unrelenting campaign of anti-Semitic vilification carried out by every organ of his media. And how he has succeeded. When Arafat's state-controlled media glorify a "martyrdom operation," it is not just a commendation of the murderer, it is a vindication of their own pedagogy. We now see its fruits in the streets of Jerusalem, where the blood from the latest suicide bombing graces the third floor of surrounding buildings. washingtonpost.com