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To: Night Writer who wrote (96654)3/29/2002 6:56:22 PM
From: Elwood P. Dowd  Respond to of 97611
 
1st PC Price Hike In Japan in 5 years
by: skeptically 03/29/02 06:34 pm
Msg: 279273 of 279273

theregister.co.uk
PC makers hike prices - in Asia
By Drew Cullen
Posted: 29/03/2002 at 11:09 GMT

Last week it was Apple: this week it is the turn of Japanese PC makers NEC and Sony and Korean maker Trigem to follow suit.

They are increasing prices in Asia, citing increased component costs. This is the first time that PC prices have risen in Japan for five years, according to Bloomberg[ quote.bloomberg.com ontent99.ht&middle=ad_frame2_all&s=APKQMexMqTkVDLCBT ].

Sony is raising prices by up to 10 per cent, while in Korea, Trigem is hiking prices by three per cent.

But are the price rises sustainable? The Japanese PC market is described as saturated, and demand is already depressed. Price rises will, presumably, depress demand even further.

Apple last week hiked iMac prices by $100 a unit, blaming higher prices for DRAM and LCD monitors. And at the end of January, several prominent PC builders in the UK, including Time and Mesh, raised prices in response to a sudden leap in DRAM costs.

Dell is taking a very different tack: instead of raising prices, it is protecting price points, by offering less for the money. This is achieved, more by charging for - say, memory - which was formerly bundled in for "free", CNET notes[ news.com.com ].

In recent days, SDRAM spot prices have tumbled; however, LCD monitor prices are soaring, up by $60 a unit for the benchmark 15in desktop flavour, in just two months.

DRAM prices are expected to be fairly stable this year, with so-called bits-per-box count outstripping supply. Samsung and Hynix are increasing DRAM production by 45-60 per cent this year (depending on product line), while demand is forecast by Micron to rise as much as 75 per cent in 2001.

The prices of TFT-LCD monitor prices tumbled in the last year and a half, or so, leaving many makers selling at a loss.

With soaring demand from notebook makers, and a growing switch from CRTs to LCD purchases by desktop PC buyers, the balance of power has switched again to the manufacturers. They will milk it while they can. But with a heap of new production capacity coming on stream in the second half of 2002, this opportunity to make a decent profit may not last too long.

Finally, prices for the two other major PC components - drives and CPUs - will continue falling, so there is no need for panic buying. ®
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To: Night Writer who wrote (96654)3/30/2002 8:31:10 AM
From: Elwood P. Dowd  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 97611
 
From The Zoo:

Very Important notice
by: susu2131 03/30/02 03:34 am
Msg: 115831 of 115840

It will be amazing what will be the end result of this mess

I have two friends working with two major resllers of Comapq and HP as well as others. They told me that compaq and HP, last quarter, stuffed these resellers with all kinds of machines and servers (in thousands). HP and Compaq last quarter and this quarter, is asking those resellers to sell even at 30% discount.

The problem is that these discounts will not appear excpet after some time, most probably the quarter after, as Compaq and HP will be paying back end money or you can say rebates back to these resllers. But for the time being these sales are being shown on the existing quarters as full sales, the 30% discounts will appear after some time.

I know that this is a normal practice , but a 10 % is accepatable , not 30 %

All what they wanted is the merger to pass, and then, the bad smell will be very bad

This is really amamzing, wake up shareholders. unitil now I did not care about thismerger, but now go Walter



To: Night Writer who wrote (96654)3/31/2002 10:24:38 AM
From: Elwood P. Dowd  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 97611
 
Gateway pricing takes the low road
Sun Mar 31, 9:43 AM ET
By John G. Spooner, ZDNet News

Gateway wants to hold on to the past--specifically, the low PC prices of 2001--to better its future.




The computer maker, which has introduced several inexpensive PCs since the beginning of the year, is aiming for price leadership. So far, at least, Gateway appears to have reached its goal: Many of its PCs are now priced lower than those from Dell Computer, before rebates and special offers.

Dell had been the price leader until earlier this year, when it switched from cutting prices to holding the line on them. Since then, it has been working to avoid passing on to customers the rising cost of components such as memory. But analysts say that Dell has actually begun to inflate prices by redesigning many of its systems with higher-performance components such as faster processors.

While Dell is inching up, Gateway is touting the lower prices of its PCs as a way to regain customers and thus boost its market share after a disastrous fourth quarter.

Pricing has been a tough issue for Gateway. Some of the company's current problems can be traced to a failure to be more aggressive on prices in 2001, as it focused its efforts on selling services and other "beyond the box" items. Other PC companies, Dell in particular, cut prices and undercut Gateway's customer base.

These days, Gateway thinks it has things figured out. It is paring prices and running a new advertising campaign designed to woo consumers back. The latest ad, designed to promote Gateway's $1,499 500x music PC, teams CEO Ted Waitt with the company's trademark Holstein cow, driving an 18-wheeler on a desert highway and singing along to the Devo song "Whip It." The ad will debut on Saturday.

"We're selecting what we believe are price points that are sweet spots. We, Gateway, want to provide the best (bundle) in the market," Randy Farwell, Gateway's director of product marketing, said in a recent interview.

While many PC makers continue to offer rebates and other promotions, he said, "right now, we're on the track of offering the best value from the get-go."

Analysts say Dell could find itself in the odd position of having to be careful not to lose sales to its lower-priced competitor. But while Gateway appears to have the edge on prices at the moment, analysts have taken a fairly harsh view of the tactics used to get there.

"I wouldn't be surprised to see Gateway pricing below Dell. It's trying to stem (market) share erosion and actual gain share, while Dell is balancing profitability with growth," said Brooks Gray, an analyst with Technology Business Research. "Gateway may sacrifice a couple of quarters of profitability just to maintain its market share."

The difference between Gateway's current actions and what Dell did in 2001 is that Dell was able to slash prices and maintain profitability, though at a reduced level, but Gateway will lose money after adopting the strategy. Gateway has said it expects to post a first-quarter loss of $100 million to $120 million excluding restructuring charges.

How the prices stack up
Gateway's new prices are competitive. The new 300LE desktop, for example, starts at $599. It is configured nearly the same as Dell's new SmartStep 150D and Dimension 2200, but the Dimension, with a 1.2GHz Celeron processor, 128MB of RAM, a 20GB hard drive and a 15-inch monitor, starts at $669.

The companies diverge at the optical drive, however. Gateway includes a more desirable CD-rewritable drive, while Dell offers a CD-ROM. Dell's CD-RW upgrade typically costs about $60, but the company is offering a free upgrade to a CD-RW through April 30.

Dell's non-configurable SmartStep 150D, meanwhile, offers the same processor, memory and hard drive, along with a CD-ROM drive, for $599, equaling Gateway's price.

Competition is intense at the $599 mark. Many PC makers offer their entry-level machines at or near that price at retail level.

Compaq Computer's Presario 5400, for example, starts at $569, and HP's Pavilion 310n starts at $574. The spring lineup from budget PC maker Emachines, meanwhile, begins at $474 before rebates. Its T1120 PC, for example, offers a 1.2GHz Celeron, 256MB of SDRAM, a 40GB hard drive and a CD-RW drive for $574 before rebates.

To gain an edge at retail, Gateway has also begun stocking a small number of PCs at all but 12 of its 277 Country store retail outlets in the United States.

Meanwhile, some of Gateway's high-end PCs are also less expensive than the Dell computers they compete with. The $1,499 500x music PC includes a 2GHz Pentium 4, 512MB of memory, an 80GB hard drive, a 15-inch, flat-panel display, and Boston Acoustics BA745 speakers with subwoofer.

Dell's Dimension 4400 with the same hardware and Harman Kardon HK-695 surround-sound speakers with subwoofer came to $1,758 before rebates on Dell's Web site Friday morning. Dell also includes a free upgrade to a DVD drive. The company is offering a $75 mail-in rebate on the PC through April 3.

Gateway's 700x desktop, priced at $1,999, includes a 2GHz Pentium 4, 512MB of RDRAM, an 80GB hard drive, a pair of CD-RW and DVD drives, and a 17-inch, flat-panel monitor.

A Dell Dimension 8200 configured with the same components, including a 2GHz processor, 512MB of RAM, a 80GB hard drive, a 17-inch flat panel and the closest possible CD-RW and DVD drives, priced out around $2,420 on Dell's Web site Friday morning. Dell is offering a $200 mail-in rebate on the machine through April 3.

Gateway isn't just after Dell. It's also trying to steal Apple Computer's thunder. Gateway will soon release another all-in-one PC with a flat-panel monitor. The Profile 4, which comes out this summer, will feature a 15-inch screen, and a later version will feature a 17-inch screen. Sales of these all-in-one computers have picked up since the introduction of Apple's latest iMacs. Gateway's 500S and 500SE are similarly configured to the low-end and midrange iMac but cost hundreds less.

Dell, meanwhile, enjoys a much stronger market position as the No. 1 PC seller in the world. As a result, it can afford to command somewhat higher prices, analysts say. It can also afford to lower prices if necessary.

But money talks. Many PC buyers, as they have become more sophisticated, have come to realize that PCs from all of the top companies share many of the same components, Gray said. As a result, price, service and support have become the chief differentiators between companies.

"I think they'd definitely consider looking to Gateway for a lower-price PC," he said.



To: Night Writer who wrote (96654)4/1/2002 11:03:35 AM
From: Elwood P. Dowd  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 97611
 
I haven't seen this list of credits posted for quite a while, so I lifted it at The Zoo to post here for those who haven't seen it before.
Too bad that CPQ doesn't know how to convert all of that business to a healthy bottom line on their earnings report.
El

by: cosmo4u123
Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Buy 04/01/02 10:50 am
Msg: 279327 of 279327

What does it say in the upper right hand corner "Powered by Compaq" Also, consider this;

• AOL runs the world’s largest e-mail system with more than 40 million users on Compaq NonStop® Himalaya systems
• 30% of all Internet deployments are on Compaq systems, according to the Wall Street Journal
• 66 out of 68 largest stock exchanges in the world run on Compaq
• More than 60% of world's funds transfer run on Compaq
• More than 60% world's money trading run on Compaq
• More than 75% world's ATM's (banks' automatic cash machines) run on Compaq
• $3 trillion a day passes through the financial systems which are based on Compaq
• 9 out of the top 10 Internet search engines run on Compaq
• Compaq has created enterprise systems for 18 of the top 20 US banks; over 100 stock exchanges worldwide; two-thirds of the world’s stock exchanges; and over 60% of the world’s interbank transactions
• 60% of the planet’s power generation/distribution systems run on Compaq
• 95% of the world’s semiconductor factories run on Compaq
• Well over 200 telecommunications companies (including the top 35) depend on Compaq
• Three quarters of the top ISPs choose Compaq to keep millions of subscribers connected
• Four out of the five most popular Web sites are powered by Compaq
• All ten of the top ten aerospace companies rely on Compaq for systems, solutions and services