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To: Dayuhan who wrote (22441)	3/28/2002 9:59:23 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Steven... Massacres happen in times of brutal conflict. My Lai..., Chenogue in January, 1944... Atrocities by troops of the US 45th division in Sicily.. The starvation of thousands of German POWs in the Remagen camps in spring-summer 1945.. members.iinet.net.au The US is not immune from committing such atrocities... or rather should I say that certain individuals in US uniforms were not inhibited about committing such barbarous acts. And in fact, the US and Britain bombed civilians all throughout WWII.. Bomb them indiscriminately with explosives, incendiary devices, and ultimately... nuclear weapons... But does that suggest that the US is a barbarous society? Do the actions of the few represent the spririt of the many? I would suggest that the same applies to the Irgun at Deir Yassin. People do things during wartime that they might not do in conditions of relative peace. If it represented the majority of Israelis, I suggest that there would be no Israeli Arab citizens... no Arabs on the West Bank... and Israel would have never given back the Sinai. But does that mean they don't have their own groups of ruthless leaders and soldiers?? Absolutely not. And to tell you something, were I under the same kind of wartime stress, where everyone you see in the towns you are moving is a potential enemy looking to kill you, I dare say I would have a hard being discriminating. War is an ugly and brutal thing... And that's probably something the Arabs should have thought through a bit more thoroughly, before they decided to embark on 40 years of war against Israel. Hawk

To: Dayuhan who wrote (22441)	3/28/2002 11:48:05 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Did they get resettled, or did they get to go home? Generally speaking, resettled. The big refugee populations in the late forties/early fifties that I know of were the fourteen million refugees from the partition of India, who got resettled in the new countries, the three million germans from Poland, East Prussia and the Sudatenland, who got resettled (Poland essentially moved 200 miles west), and the inhabitants of the DP camps. Of those, I think the gentiles went home, but the Jews resettled in Israel or the US. There are also the 600,000 Jewish refugees from the Arab countries who got resettled in Israel. There were a ton of internal Russian refugees, but under Stalin everybody went where the government said to go. As for Deir Yassin, two things are not disputed. 1) there was a massacre by the Irgun, though how exactly many people died and whether there were any rapes is still disputed, 2) The Arabs themselves publicized it widely, and unintentionally helped foment the panic. As for the purpose, perhaps there was an intention of creating general panic, but the short-term mission was to create local panic, clear out the villages by the road, and thus deprive Abdul Khader Husseini of the bases that his men were using to ambush the convoys into Jerusalem. There was a war on.