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To: Poet who wrote (5357)	3/29/2002 11:33:54 AM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

It was? I didn't hear her mention it, or even hint at it. Her message was that black women have been systematically denied a Best Actress award because they are black. She got one, and now the liberals are happy. Another line item you can check off your guilt list.

To: Poet who wrote (5357)	3/29/2002 2:09:08 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 21057

Edit: This was in response to your comment about role types-- it wasn't AT you-- just want to make sure you don't think I am making any assumptions about your views! Mostly I was reacting to the author of the cited column and to so many writers trying to tell us what we saw and what REALLY happened. Interesting that you mention the type of role Hattie McDaniel played in GWTW. Came across this article just now- the author seems to be unhappy becuase Berry and Washington received their Oscars for roles that Hollywood was comfortable with as still portraying blacks in "black" roles- that "we" are still keeping "them" down. Boy, you just can't make some people happy. athena.tbwt.com Both sides seem determined to make sure we all admit this was just tokenism, and Berry herself sure added to that idea by rejecting herself as an independent, gifted performer, and becoming the "vessel". What a shame. Washington especially is a tested veteran and excellent actor deserving of respect from everyone for his work. I haven't seen Training Day, but Ammo says he is really wonderful in it, and X has said Berry was tremendous in her role in Monster's Ball. As for the roles, does it matter that NIcholas Cage won for playing a suicidal alcoholic? Or ANthony Hopkins for a cannibalistic psychopath? The good roles are often extreme roles, roles that take characters to the edge of life. The author only mentions Russell Crowe in Gladiator as the "hero" role denied blacks... funny he ignores William Hurt as a homosexual in Kiss of the Spiderwoman or the myriad "Other" roles-- Shine, My Left Foot, One Flew Over, Wasn't Michael Douglas a terrible person in Wall Street? I think this guy really looks for things to offend him. Maybe-- just maybe-- the Academy voted for two excellent performances that happened to be given by black actors. Wow. But throw in some typical Hollywood self-important posturing and overemoting (thank you, Julia) and suddenly we have Oscargate. Great acceptance speech from Jack Lemmon that I wish Halle Berry et al had read: There's been a lot of criticism over the years over this award, and some of that criticism has been warranted. But whether it's warranted or not, I think it's one hell of an honor, and I thank you.