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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (22614)	3/29/2002 10:43:18 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Arafat starting to lose his "touch"?? He hung up on one of his greatest allies at CNN: Arafat hangs up in CNN interview when asked about U.S. criticism Fri Mar 29 2002 19:00:11 ET Palestinian leader Yassir Arafat, under pressure Friday as the Israeli military stormed his headquarters in Ramallah, became angry during a live telephone interview with CNN and hung up when he was asked about the U.S. call for him to rein in Palestinian violence. ``Are you asking me, who is under a complete siege?'' he asked correspondent Christiane Amanpour after her question about comments made by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. ``You have to be accurate when you are speaking to General Yassir Arafat,'' he continued: ``Be quiet! You are covering the terrorist occupation and the Israeli crimes. ... Thank you. Bye, bye.'' Before he hung up the telephone, Arafat said the Israeli army had destroyed seven buildings around his office during a day that for him was filled with arms fire. ``You have to understand that it's the Palestinian people who are fighting this occupation, and I'm sure they will continue to,'' he said. ``This is the real terrorism - of the occupation.'' END

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (22614)	3/30/2002 7:41:47 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Which is why some 30% of Iraq is Shiite Arab... 60-65%, according to this source... cia.gov

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (22614)	3/30/2002 8:55:45 AM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It is futile to even discuss what brought about the current state of affair in Palestine (The Ottoman empire opening the door and inviting immigrants to "Palestine", and not only Jews, but Circasians and Beduins and other destitute groups, from 1880 to 1914, the "imperialist" Balfour declaration and British mandate actions or the birth of the international "National Liberation Movements", started by non other then Theodore Herzel in the late 19th century). There is a current situation and it has three potential outcomes, the Arab throw the Israeli to the sea, as they have promised to their populations for the last 53 years, the Israeli evict the Palestinians as some extreme Israeli "relocation" advocate suggest, or the two peoples find ways to live peacefully as cooperating neighbors. The major error committed by Arafat, is allowing the idea of evicting the Israeli to gain more and more support as the main line of the Palestinian policy. It is a major error, since it now leaves only the two extreme options, throwing the Israeli to the sea, or evicting the Palestinians, as valid options. Arafat should understand that if these are the only options, the more likely outcome is the latter, simply because the Israeli are stronger and more determined than ever to prevent the former option. The only two results of the intifada are the increase in the Israeli population of the supporters of the "eviction" option and the utter destruction of the Palestinian economy. It is time that Arafat steps down and leave room for those Palestinians supporting a peaceful arrangement. What is clear, the longer this situation continues, the lesser are the chances that Palestinians will ever have a state. It will take another 20 years, IMHO, before the Palestinians will now gain their on right of "self determination". Preconditions is the raising of a new generation (just as Moses had to eradicate the "slaves" generation through 40 years in the desert) that has not been raised on the impossible dream of throwing the Israeli to the sea, and rebuilding the Palestinian economy. Without a vibrant economy, a Palestinian state will not have a chance of surviving internal social upheaval. Zeev