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To: KyrosL who wrote (22800)	3/31/2002 10:35:52 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 281500

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To: KyrosL who wrote (22800)	3/31/2002 10:42:58 AM
From: 10K a day	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

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To: KyrosL who wrote (22800)	3/31/2002 11:44:48 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The extreme Arab frustration and rage created by repeated defeats and humiliation at the hands of the Israelis (and their US allies) is the key reason of why Al Qaeda exists today. Frustration over what? The fact that their own leaders are corrupt and repressive, denying them the economic prosperity many other nations in the west have enjoyed? Or frustration and rage over the fact their despotic leaders have used the Arab-Israeli conflict as a convenient distraction aimed at deflecting critical attention away from their corruption and ineptitude? Or is their frustration and rage directed against the apparent unwillingness of Western nation to invest in their economies because their governments have a noted tendency to expropriate foreign investment? Whatever you do.. don't try and tell us that this frustration and rage is over the condition of the Palestinians, since the Arab world has done little, to nothing, towards alleviating that condition. The Palestinians are the Irish of the Middle East.. a people that neither the Arabs, nor the Israelis really want to bother with. They are just convenient pawns in the greater struggle between Arab despotism and Western modernism. And the Palestinian leadership apparently are unwitting (willing?) players in this greater struggle, failing to recognize that Arab leaders fear western style encroachment because it would inevitably undermine their legitimacy to rule. Of course, not the decision is whether that legitimacy is undermined by western ideals, or extremist Islam. Hawk

To: KyrosL who wrote (22800)	3/31/2002 1:54:47 PM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If there were no Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there would have been no Al Qaeda. This assertion flies in the face of much we have read together these past six months. IMO the idea that bin Laden independently moves ahead, with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as almost an afterthought, is one of the "big ideas" arising from all the inquiries and, to my mind, marks the reporting of those who know from those who claim to know. --fl