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To: Zardoz who wrote (84023)3/31/2002 2:21:33 PM
From: nickel61  Respond to of 116764
 
Copyright © 2002 BigBeaver/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved
1.Barrick was negatively affected by the Enron mess.
To generate higher yields from its hedge book operations, Barrick
invests in higher yield bond funds. By doing so, they are able to get
better returns on their forward sale programs. As it turns out, Enron was
one of the favorite companies of these bond funds most liked by Barrick.

2.The IRS is auditing Barrick’s accounting of its off-shore hedge book. Like Enron, they pay
little tax on their offshore hedge book related profits. Whether Barrick
has done anything wrong, remains to be seen.

Barrick is very close to Morgan. Morgan’s Toronto office is one floor below Barrick’s in Toronto. Morgan and Barrick are seen
together all around the globe.

Not a week goes by that we do not learn more and more of Morgan’s
incestuous relationship with Enron. The investment world is waiting for the
details of that relationship. How was Morgan funding Enron, why, for what,
etc? The Enron/Morgan article in the Wall Street Journal was the first major
step in that direction.



To: Zardoz who wrote (84023)3/31/2002 2:40:23 PM
From: Ahda  Respond to of 116764
 
Too few people here or anywhere in the public understand what risk is. Bonds, treasuries, art, equities, and life; all have risk attributed to them. Understanding the rewards risk analysis is key. Some times companies become to powerful and they think they can control the market. But under the efficient market hypothesis, the markets always win.

Happy Spring first and Easter if it is applicable, second logic was not the state of the net bubble nor does it have to be in gold. If is say to you I feel many stocks are still overvalued the reason i am saying that is i believe there are too many dollars chasing after too few good stocks. You get distorted evaluations then and bubbles.



To: Zardoz who wrote (84023)3/31/2002 4:52:17 PM
From: IngotWeTrust  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116764
 
An EXQUISITE 27yr POG --RISK-- Graphic. Enjoy.
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Zardoz, you are so SOOO accurate when you wrote: Too few people here or anywhere in the public understand what risk is.

COMMENTARY POINTS BELOW:
1) When looking at that 27 year, graphic, Z, you will of all people I know, will of course immediately notice the graphically inserted S/R horizontal line at approximately the $300 to $332ish trading range in gold.

2) For the uninitiated, that is a PENETRATED support line. Those "S" lines now becomes extremely tough "R" lines, i.e., "resistance" to get through.

And there are over 19 of those 27 years worth of mining supply meets retail demand (which includes manufacturing demand) or ECON 101 Supply/Demand equilibrium reasons why investing in the HIGH RISK NOTION that gold going bonkers through this bubble gum zone is not going to happen anytime soon, if ever again.
Not in yours and my lifetimes.

3) I find comparative risk between the 3 commodities of interest.

4) You and I can also agree that the higher the ROR as evidenced by the left axis, the harder it is to ENTER this gold pricing game late in the 4th quarter of current price stability and at this massive resistance level engineered by those in seats of power.

Or to put it another way, to enter this Price of Gold-gold sector speculation from the sidelines at the 195% ROR level---roughly this $300-332 bubble-gum zone--and to hope to ever see 400% level (which for a 195% level entrant would only be a double) is so damn risky, I don't even know how to put a quant analysis "number" on this gold fervor brought about by this last $20 rally in gold to this historical resistance level.

5) Even under the "Rule of Seven", many many MORE conservative, aka LESS RISKY investment choices should double one's money in 7 years.

6) To go against 27 years of history and WAG (wild ass guess) that investors entering from the sidelines at the 195 percentile level, and fervently believe "THEY" will beat the odds because Murphy or Arafat or US$ or Enronitis or Argentina or Saudia Arabia or a presidential assassination or a suitcase bomb will cause PoG to "explode higher" well, that is utter foolishness--an total mis-reading of the risk indicators in this pure chart.

Have fun with this one folks. Me? Well, I'm in all day long at UNDER $20 a troy oz for gold so I don't care if it moves $20 more dollars to $320 level...It's only another "double" for my over my cost if it does!

Ciao

People



To: Zardoz who wrote (84023)3/31/2002 7:24:33 PM
From: Gord Bolton  Respond to of 116764
 
Do not underestimate the effects of greed and fear. I understand that both Cambior and Ashanti were caught with their shorts pulled over their heads.

Did you predict that this would happen?

Grist for the mill.

Savers waking up to the need to protect assets

By JUN SAITO, The Asahi Shimbun

With full guarantees on bank deposits about to be lifted, anxious investors are seeking ways to safeguard their savings.

On the eve of the lifting of the full guarantee of bank deposits, savers are desperately searching out safe shelters for their assets.

Like many anxious depositors, Kazuko Nakanishi, 52, has attended asset management seminars to learn how to protect her funds.

She feels ignorant of her options when the 10 million yen cap on time deposit guarantees takes effect Monday.

``I know I can no longer keep assets in the same way,'' said Nakanishi (not her real name), who runs a small printing firm with her husband in Tokyo's Nakano Ward. ``But I don't have enough knowledge about financial instruments.''

Her family has bank deposits of around 8 million yen in operating funds for the factory. The family's private assets of 12 million are kept in time deposits at the same bank.

``The series of bankruptcies at financial institutions has made us believe that Japanese banks are no longer safe,'' said Nakanishi. ``I hope to invest some of our assets in foreign financial tools and learn how to select reliable brands.''

According to the Financial Services Agency, more than 50 financial institutions, including regional banks, credit cooperatives and credit unions, have gone belly up since January 2001.

At an investment forum in early March, Nakanishi listened as Takashi Asai, a critic on economic affairs, reminded the participants of the need for individuals to prepare measures to protect their deposits and other assets.

Asai said the removal of the full deposit guarantee system was only a prelude to a financial crisis.

``The Japanese economy is surrounded by risk,'' he said. ``In particular, the enormous government deficit may be a time bomb that could heavily damage the financial system.''

More than 400 anxious investors were at the meeting.

One participant, Masanori Hori, 35, seemed at a loss as to how he could protect his assets in bank deposits.

``I'd been vaguely aware that our pension benefits could be reduced because of the severe state of the government's finances,'' he said. ``But the removal of the full deposit guarantee makes me more pessimistic because even my bank deposits are no longer fully protected.''

He added: ``There will be no place where our assets are fully guaranteed. I will have to take some risk.''

Ahead of the removal of the full deposit guarantees, individuals are shifting money from time deposits to ordinary savings, which remain fully protected until April 1, 2003.

According to the Bank of Japan, cash-on-demand deposits, such as ordinary savings, jumped 16.3 percent to 148.9 trillion yen as of the end of 2001 from a year before, while time deposits declined 2.2 percent.

Wealthy individuals are opting for gold as a safety hedge.

According to the nation's largest precious metal dealer, Tanaka Kikinzoku Kogyo KK, the quantity of gold sold in February was more than nine times year-earlier levels.

``Many customers buy 5-10 kilograms of gold bars, valued at around 7-14 million yen,'' said a clerk at the company's retail store in Tokyo's Ginza district. ``One customer purchased more than 40 kg of gold with family members, who helped carry the bars back to the car.''

Gold prices are rising steadily. As of Friday, the gold price stood at 1,411 yen per 1 gram, up from around 1,000 yen in March 2001.


The cap on deposit insurance protection not only worries individual depositors but also groups that keep reserves in bank accounts.

In the middle of March, Ryosuke Matsunaga, head of a residents' association of a group of condominiums in Yokohama, held a meeting to explain how residents can protect nearly 100 million yen set aside in time deposits for condominium maintenance.

``All we could decide was to transfer two-thirds of the money to ordinary savings in three financial institutions,'' Matsunaga said. ``We have bought long-term government bonds with the remainder.''

At the meeting, some residents proposed buying investment trusts and other financial tools.

``But we couldn't reach an agreement,'' Matsunaga said. ``Many are opposed to subjecting our maintenance reserves to risk.''

With the guarantee on ordinary savings due to be abolished in April 2003, Matsunaga is well aware that the solution only provides a temporary respite.

``We will have to continue debating the safe custody of our money,'' he said.(IHT/Asahi: March 30,2002)

(03/30)

asahi.com



To: Zardoz who wrote (84023)4/1/2002 2:36:04 PM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116764
 
<<You buy Gold, silver or any PM you enter into a market that is frothy with risk. >>

You have room to talk about "frothy with risk" when you LOVED CSCO at $50 - ON THE WAY DOWN!