To: E who wrote (6117 ) 4/1/2002 2:32:42 AM From: marcos Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057 More likely a Studebaker Borg, i should think .... but look, you're still permitting the religious to set the terms for your own thought structure, maybe - 'I'm assuming "belief in God" means belief in an external consciousness that has some sort of control over matters and/or intention and perhaps has desires, such as to be worshipped, and maybe had something to do with the design of life on earth. Something like that. It could refer to a Gremlin Borg of that description. ' ... a bit too specific this perhaps, reflective of the specific detailed god-constructs of others ... if you drop as terms 'gods' and 'deities' which i wish i hadn't used in the post to which you are responding, and you widen it out to 'force or forces', and you don't necessarily burden these forces with desire to be worshipped, you extend the possibilities considerably ... you leave open, pending further evidence, some avenue for explanation of the fantastic complexity of life as we know it, the way it all works together .... just lucked out that way, random chance? - mmm, hard to believe ... i see lots of room for a creative force at the core of it, i just never saw anybody come up with a plausible theory on the form of one, yet But being unschooled and quite unchurched for decades is so freeing, for instance i don't know what half the terms used on Solon's thread mean [and i'm agnostic as far as any belief in whether those posters do-g-] ..... no, maybe one time when i'm between employment opportunities i'll change my name to Richard Awl, and start up an affiliate branch of the C anadian R adical A gnostic P arty-church, we'll have a twelve step programme, each initiate will begin - 'hi, my name's x_____, and i know Dick Awl'