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Politics : The Arab-Israeli Solution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (750)	4/2/2002 12:19:44 AM
From: No BS here	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 2279

"to rise against the jews in palestine"--from whence do you speak?...there were only a handful there at the time....when they started to flood in after the war because no one wanted them including good old usa,THEY started terrorizing the BRITISH who eventually threw up their hands and got out of there...those are the facts...When i watch TV in the last few days i always wonder about these people on the hill ARE THEY AMERICANS or JEWS first.Did you know that the biggest and most powerful lobby on the hill is the Israelie lobby? they bribe the politicians with money (their own actually)given to Israel by the american tax payer...I know of no other nation on earth that can send $$$ to Israel and use it as a TAX DEDUCTION in their own country...AMERICA WAKE UP..before Israel takes us to a situation from where there is no return!!..I dont stand by my best friend if he is absolutely wrong..I TELL HIM TO SMARTEN UP AND CHANGE HIS WAYS..its high time the USA did that with ISRAEL,the Palestinians have waited long enough for their freedom

To: joseph krinsky who wrote (750)	4/2/2002 8:45:10 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 2279

Joey.. I'm not falling into anything... It's an historical fact that the Crusaders were just as brutal as anything you perceive from extremist Islam. The Crusaders were extremists, after a fashion, twisting the teachings of Christ to fit into their own designs for power and wealth. They destoyed entire cities, killing everyone... Permitting no one to escape.. Their goal was to kill every Muslim and Jew possible, in order to bring the holy land under Christian control. What we're witnessing now are the continuing aftershocks of the Muslim world having been controlled by the Turks, and everyone else, for hundreds of years. Arab Muslims have never quite come to grips with how Islam is supposed to interact with modern society. They've been ruled by corrupt dictators and monarchs who have not quite fulfilled their promises of restoring past Arab glory.. They are economically behind the power curve, lacking the natural resources (except oil) to properly build an economy. They are socially backward as compared to the rest of the world, and their demographics are exploding beyond the point of their ability to provide gainful employment for their young people. And the West is afraid to invest in, and develop, the region because we constantly have our assets nationalized. What is transpiring today is the equivalent of the Protestant reformation and age of enlightenment... The Muslims are fighting the same battle in finding a balance between secularism and religiousity, that Europe fought hundreds of years ago. This is a civil war within Islam, between regressionists and modernists. And it's a war in which Arab leaders must retain the confidence of the West, upon who's investment capital, they desperately rely. But to say Islam is inherently violent, is to be ignorant of its teachings (many of which spawned from the Christian presence in the Hejaz at the time of Muhammed). Muslims, unlike Jews, actually incorporate Jesus into their teachings, although referring to him only as a prophet, and not the son of god. I don't agree with their beliefs, but neither will I misrepresent them based upon the acts of extremists who warped the teaching of Islam. Because nothing Jesus taught gave justification for Christian extremists engaging in their own brutality and oppression. Hawk