To: SilentZ who wrote (143797 ) 4/5/2002 5:15:48 PM From: TGPTNDR Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1579954 -Z, Re: <the ruling family IS Wahabi. That's the problem!> The ruling family may -- all praises to Allah -- be called Wahabi by some, but there are distinct problems with your argument. First, none of them can recite his name. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab ibn Sulaiman ibn Ali ibn Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Rashid al Tamimi. At least that's what I think all that ammounts to. See: sultan.org ( assuming it hasn't been fire bombed, death squaded, etc. ) This is clearly a complex religeon. It ain't like saying Christ -- or Holy Moses -- these people put some work into it! When you read the precepts(5), I think I could live with 1 - 5. One's a little shakey, but then, so am I. But #6 -- (other than 6.1 ) That's a different story. Also, there's no such thing as Wahabism.iiie.net Let us examine "Wahabism" to find which of the above categories it fits. There is no place or tribe or country or nation or family by the name of "Wahab"; it is therefore, not applicable. If we examine to see if Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahhab originated a new aqeedah we find no such thing in his teachings to give credit to him for something new. Did he originate a new Sufi order? We discover that he was neither a sufi nor did he support them. In fact, he fought against certain innovations of the sufis. Did Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahhab presented any new school of fiqhi principles? We find that he was himself an ardent follower of HANBALI madh-hab, and he revered Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal. One of the major contributions of Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahhab is that he discovered and brought into the limelight another great Hanbali scholar, Imam Ibn Taimiyah and his student Ibn Qayyim. We find that Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahhab remained throughout his life a follower of Hanbali madh-hab and did not deviate much from it. In the light of what has been said there is no definition of the term "Wahabism" possible except as a label to bring hatred against certain group of people. It is stereotyping, slanderous and a hate-mongering term; no educated person should allow himself to the use of this term. Those who made their goal to fight "Wahabism" are fighting a non-existent enemy, a creation of a figment of their own mind, an imaginary ghost. So you see, -Z, you're wrong. tgptndr