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To: X Y Zebra who wrote (3321)	4/5/2002 5:55:23 AM
From: Yorikke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3536

Theory, and the discussion of such forms the basis of intellectual advancement. Theoretical issues are not reality. Individuals attempt to understand the implications of proposed actions through extended discussion of theoretical alternatives. It is often the case that people neither support nor desire the theoretical actions that they may propose and discuss. Economics has the strange roll of being not only a most theoretical science, but also one in which theoretical concepts can often be introduced into reality with the greatest of ease. Tobin, a more intelligent man than you or I could ever hope to be, looked at a practical problem; excessive movements of funds effecting economic outcomes, and proposed a reasonable answer. Utilization of a very low tax on transactions to discourage excessive movements of funds to profit from very small differentials. In addition he proposed that the revenues of such a tax be utilized to reduce poverty in the least developed of countries. This is straight forward. If you can not follow it I suggest you sue the college or high school you last attended. That problem and many like it will become evident as global trade expands. People will discuss ways of dealing with these problems, and this will result in an organization to deal with these problems. Its the nature of trade, power, compromise and cooperation. Individualism has nothing to do with it. South America is a cesspool of terror. Argentina had the period of Disappearances. Chile in post Allende was a nightmare, Paraguay had its dictator that was fond of dissapearing people, Bolivia has a history of exterminating its native population, as Brazil, Peru, Venezuela. Peru has seen left and right terror squads. Columbia is just one large vat of terror, Surinam has had a history of killing natives. Guatemala called its exterminations a war. Mexico has killed thousands of Natives. Come on, xyz, you are supposed to know about the place..... terror is not just a leftist tool, in Latin America its a political assumption. You will not find such a bloody record of terror in the Arab world. Arabs do not understand the concept of terror when related to the extraordinary accomplishments of Latin American cultures. Only the Pol Pot were better at using organized terror than the Latin Americans. Quite frankly any one of the people who straps a bomb on their body and walks into a restaurant has extraordinary fortitude and belief in their cause. They die to fight. And the people with rockets and tanks? We don't condemn the tank rounds that kill 3 or 4 family members in a hovel in some town right out of the Bible? The Palestinians will not be defeated because they are willing to die for what they believe in. And it appear that enough of them have that willingness to counter all the rounds that tanks can fire into refugee camps. Pretty damn amazing. Pretty damn impressive. 16 year old girls with more courage than you or I will ever have, have ever had in total. It ain't slick but it sure is effective. And quite rankly it makes the death squads that Latin American Machismo butchers are so proud of look like the cowardly lowlife scum that they are. You despise what you should fear. You ignore what you should despise. People with attitudes such as yours are easy to defeat because they will never see it coming. Even when they get scared enough to go out and start rounding up their neighbors and shooting them in the back of head....that's the Latin way, no?

To: X Y Zebra who wrote (3321)	4/5/2002 5:44:45 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 3536

X Y Zebra, Hope you don't mind a bit of kibbitzing. <smile> I really did enjoy your most excellent rant, and find that you and Yorrike form a terrific "house of mirrors" pair of contrasting viewpoints. Wonderful reading. So much better than the WorldNetDaily Drivel from earlier. Re: Yorrike: "That does not mean I applaud internationalization, just that I think it is inevitable." X Y Zebra: "That is a defeatist hogwash attitude. You may choose to have it and that is fine by me, but I do NOT agree with such. The same idiotic argument was said about Communism and now it has disappeared, everyone is embracing free enterprise." Your universalism isn't quite reflected in the facts. Major disruptions of the race to global "free enterprise" have occured in Seattle, Genoa and Washington, D.C. There is a very lively opposition to "free enterprise", particularly in Europe, where sensible democrats can see through the corporate elites' agenda for world domination and the subjugation of most of humanity for the sake of the corporate greedsters. I have to say that my sympathies lie with those who oppose the speculators, fast money derivatives dealers called "investment bankers" and the rapacious CEOs of the world who would fatten their bank accounts while condemning most of humanity to a status of economic subjugation. The "free enterprise" system is inherently unfair, and it needs to be tempered by a counterforce to prevent its worst "survival of the fittest" aspects. Re: In time, the clear advantages of individualism will be realized. Slowly the bloated government and bureaucracies will be reduced to smaller units to really serve the people. I've already seen the results of "individualism" and I can put a name and face to them. Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, Michael Milken, Gary Winnick, Marc Rich, Raul Salinas de Gotari, Carlos Menem, Benazir Bhutto, Moise Sese Seko, Idi Amin, et al are the winners in the game of "individualism". I hope you can agree with me that the world really needs to set up a system to spare us from these individuals who see themselves as being above the law, beyond the concerns of community and only concerned about greed no matter how corruptly achieved. Surely you can't think that coddling these criminals is the best that humanity can do in the future? Can you? -Ray