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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (62729)4/5/2002 12:34:44 PM
From: Fred Levine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
I, too, am not casual about environmental issues, and because of that, I think there is a role for nuclear power. However, I have changed views when the data require a change. Nuclear doesn't emit hydrocarbons and doesn't create radiation, but transforms soluble radium which can leetch into the groundwater and makes it controlled and insoluble. We don't get coal mine disasters or oil spills from nuclear. Except for Chenoble (sp), the track record of nuclear is far better than fossil fuels.

Furthermore, the answer to a scientific question is by data and not by a political vote. We both know of political votes that were irrational. Why has Mars warmed up?

My main point was that your attack on the motives of people who disagree with you was unwarranted. I know sincere scientists studying this area who conclude that the threat of global warming is unsupported by data. You didn't refer to the recent ice-age and the environmental disaster that cooling would entail. In addition, smoke stack emissions are hardly laboratory pure carbon dioxide but contain enormous particulate matter. I live near a power station and the soot on my roof is enormous.

fred



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (62729)4/6/2002 8:49:22 PM
From: frozenchosen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
OT - OT - OT

Jacob:
"The main gas emitted by volcanoes is methane, not CO2."

No. The main gases are steam, CO2, SO2 and CL.
See reference below.

In fact the Alaska Volcano Observatory occasionally flies an instrument called a COSPEC to Mt. Spurr and other Alaskan volcanoes. It measures CO2 and SO2. Elevated levels of these gasses sometimes precede eruptions.

There is still a lot of controversy about Global Warming. So much in fact, that the discipline that studies it changed its name from "Global Warming" to "Global Change". There is also much disinformation. The case is far from closed.

Keep Smilin'
F_C

vulcan.wr.usgs.gov
-- From: R. P. Hoblitt, C. D. Miller, and W. E. Scott, 1987,
Volcanic Hazards with Regard to Siting Nuclear-Power Plants in the Pacific Northwest: USGS Open-File Report 87-297

All magmas contain dissolved gases that are released both during and between eruptive episodes. Volcanic gases generally consist predominantly of steam (H2O), followed in abundance by carbon dioxide and compounds of sulfur and chlorine (Wilcox, 1959; Thorarinsson, 1979). Minor amounts of carbon monoxide, fluorine and boron compounds, ammonia, and several other compounds are found in some volcanic gases.



To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (62729)4/8/2002 4:04:46 AM
From: qgambit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 70976
 
<<OT OT global warning rant:>>

Your rant misses a key issue. As developing countries like India and China industrialize, their emissions will dwarf that of the US. If preventing global warming means keeping India and China from industrializing then that sentences 2 billion people to live in perpetual poverty.