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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (13254)4/5/2002 6:15:16 AM
From: sandintoes  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 23908
 
What your article failed to point out is the suffering of the Christians in Bethlehem for years...At this moment, The Palestinians are hiding behind Priest and nuns...brave soldiers, huh?

Bethlehem Standoff Continues
Thursday, April 04, 2002

BETHLEHEM, West Bank — The Palestinian bell ringer at the church over the traditional site of Jesus' birth was shot and killed Thursday, the latest victim in a Palestinian-Israeli standoff at the ancient basilica.

Samir Ibrahim Salman, a 45-year-old Christian and dedicated worker who kept mainly to himself, died while walking to his job at the Church of the Nativity.

Inside the church, 240 armed Palestinians have been holed up since Tuesday, with Israeli troops closing in and calling on the gunmen to surrender and come out. No one has done so.

At dawn Thursday, Salman, who also cleaned the building, set out for work as he had virtually every day of his adult life. He had hoped to keep ringing the bells, even as the church became the center of the siege.

It was not clear who fired the shots. Salman was hit in the chest. He slumped into a street just a few steps from the church door. He died there.

"He was a simple guy. He never harmed any person," a relative, Anton Salman, said of Salman, who never married and lived alone. Both his parents had died.

"He never spoke to anyone, but if you asked for help, he would run to do it for you," said Anton Salman, who spoke by telephone from inside the besieged church.

Despite his shyness, Salman was well known by the Palestinian Christian community, which makes up about half of the city's population of about 30,000 people. Residents always knew by the tolling bells at the Church of the Nativity when a Mass was under way, when a couple was getting married, when someone died and was to be buried. Salman had a different chime for each one.

At the Church of the Nativity, the standoff continued.

Gunmen and others inside the church said Israeli troops blew open a back door leading into a small courtyard next to the ancient stone shrine and fired inside, wounding three people. The Israeli military denied the claim, saying soldiers did not make a move on the shrine.

Mazen Hassan, a Palestinian policeman in the church, said he and other armed men were close to the metal door when it was blown open and shots were fired, injuring the people. An Associated Press reporter speaking to Hassan by phone could hear the sound of heavy shooting in the background. Hassan said Palestinians were not returning fire.

However, Lt. Col. Olivier Rafowicz, an Israeli army spokesman, denied soldiers moved into the church compound. Other military officials said there was shooting in nearby Manger Square, and that troops were pursuing gunmen.

The Israeli military prevented reporters from reaching the church to independently assess the rival claims.

Rafowicz said Israel has been offering safe passage out of the church for anyone wishing it, and that Palestinian officials holed up inside "are preventing the people from leaving."

The standoff at the church began Tuesday, when the fighters, who had been engaged in heavy gunbattles with advancing Israeli troops for hours, dashed a few dangerous steps from the Palace Hotel to the Church of the Nativity.

An army video released Thursday showed the gunmen running a dozen at a time from the nearby hotel, their heavy footfalls splashing puddles in the cobblestone path under a slashing rain. "One at a time," shouted one of the men. Wearing military vests and boots and carrying rifles, they ran as another turned and provided cover, wildly firing an assault rifle.

Inside the dark, cold church, nuns and priests, among about 60 members of the clergy there, have attended to 10 wounded gunmen and tried to come up with blankets. Two of the wounded need immediate medical care, said Father Ibrahim Faltas.

The bells rang out Thursday afternoon. This time, though, it wasn't Salman tugging at their ropes.

foxnews.com



To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (13254)4/5/2002 9:31:32 AM
From: hal jordan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
9/11 is really quite simple gus unlike your conspiracy theories:

1. Islamic terrorists hate the U.S., its western ideals, its soldiers on Arab soil, and its support of Israel.

2. Islamic terrorists conceive of another human bomb plot against the U.S., just like the PAs murder bombers, except in grander scale. Would you not agree even Arabs can fly planes (except perhaps your Egyptian pilot that decided to off himself with the passengers)?

3. They practice the plot, unless you believe Islamic terrorists are incapable of strategizing.

4. They execute it. Simple, not high tech, and they blow themselves and everybody to kingdom come just like PA murder-bombers do.

Really quite simple gus. Remember, bin-laden comes from a family of high achievers who are quite bright with millions behind them to finance the operation. So I offer you the truth as everybody knows it, except those with a hidden (or rather overt) agenda like yourself.



To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (13254)4/5/2002 12:23:28 PM
From: Thomas M.  Respond to of 23908
 
You really hit the nail on the head. The "right of return" is not a major issue for the Palestinians. It is totally a PR device for Israel. Arafat made clear that he was not expecting it at Camp David 2000. All they want is some face-saving solution, like a few people returning and some reparations.

You are right, Jerusalem is a much bigger issue.

Tom