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To: Neocon who wrote (7064)4/5/2002 2:14:04 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21057
 
Indeed, I gave an example of applying more fundamental ideas to practices, in the case of Emancipation and Female Suffrage.

I think the point is that people were dragged kicking and screaming to achieve those changes. We had a bloody war over one of them. For both, there are those who still are not fully on board. Why are some of your valued traditions, such as religion, perhaps, any different. Why would we not look back from a post-religion civilization the same way we now look at slavery? Or flexible family units rather than man-woman-children? You don't know that we wouldn't. Right now, it's noble, sacrosanct, untouchable tradition. Until and unless YOU come to see it otherwise, at which point it will be recast as wise progress.



To: Neocon who wrote (7064)4/5/2002 2:49:06 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
Let's go from here: Some ideas are fundamental to Western civilization. Equality before the law. Freedom of speech, the press, religion. Democracy. The rule of law, not men. No slavery. No torture.

But,say, arguing that it is disrespectful to say it is ridiculous to claim to be a monotheist while at the same time claiming the Trinity is not among those ideas.