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To: Sully- who wrote (49647)4/6/2002 8:03:34 AM
From: Clappy  Respond to of 65232
 
Well, I guess you told me, 'eh?

Actually it was Polvie who I was telling...

However...
Using reverse psychology I was able to get you to reply in
under 50 words. Not bad...

<Clappy puts a new bumper sticker next to his "No Drilling
In Alaska" sticker.>

"Save The Electrons! Conserve Bandwidth!"

I'm currently lobbying Congress to get them to pass a bill
calling for all argumentative posts to remain under 100
words so that we do not deplete the US of our valuable
reserve of electrons.

You guys get awfully touchy when someone slaps you with
a little reality check.


Since when is 1000 words or more considered a "Little"
reality check?

If you think 1000 words on a light hearted message board is
considered "Light", then YOU need a reality check. <g> <ng>

I remember 10-15 years ago I had an apartment where an old
man lived next door. He knew every person's business and
felt it was his duty to correct every single person who
lived in that building. He would spend hours upon hours
focusing on what bothered him. I could often hear his wife
yelling at him for not being able to let things go.

If someone accidentally dropped a candy wrapper on the side
walk, he felt it was his duty to hold a sting operation to
make certain he found out who dropped it. He would wait at
his window and peek from the curtains every time someone
walked by. If something fell from their pocket, he'd write
it down and then present you with a long list of offenses
that you committed. He would tell you the time the offense
occurred, what you were wearing. Who else committed it.
Where your car was parked when you committed it. And had
twenty other facts about that evil candy wrapper dropper in
addition to a list of building infractions and public laws
that were broken by dropping that candy wrapper.

The building was still a fun place to live, but every one
sort of knew that the old man was a little bit over the top
probably due to a long hard life and now confronted with
having nothing to do.

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What's your excuse?

Don't be such an old angry man.
You are too young for that.

-Clappy

P.S. Was it so important to correct JW as well?
Most us saw it as his harsh wit and not a serious comment.
He and Murrey worked it out just fine without your ruling...

Take a chill pill...



To: Sully- who wrote (49647)4/6/2002 11:47:24 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 65232
 
Hey, I resent that. I don't mind the reality checks; just the body checks and fore-arm smashes.

As for you,

Boot to da head

Double A



To: Sully- who wrote (49647)4/8/2002 6:58:28 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Google's Toughest Search Is for a Business Model

By SAUL HANSELL
The New York Times
April 8, 2002

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. — As Eric Schmidt prepared the agenda for last September's board meeting of Google, the Internet search company, he added an item: "Financing Plans — prepare for initial public offering."

"I assumed I was brought in to take the company public," recalled Mr. Schmidt, who became chairman of Google in March 2001 after a long career at Sun Microsystems (news/quote) and four years as chief executive of Novell.

By last September Google, which began as a research project at Stanford before raising venture capital in 1999, had earned a reputation as the best way to find things on the Internet. It had the prestige of being the search engine on Yahoo (news/quote). Traffic to its own Google.com Web site was surging. The company's advertising sales, after a slow start, were starting to catch on. It had just turned a profit.

By Silicon Valley tradition, this was the time to go public. But the board, which included venture capitalists who had backed the Internet's biggest hits and some of its biggest flops, was adamant. The stock offering should wait.

"I was flabbergasted," Mr. Schmidt recalled.

It was another example of Google as the dot-com that delights in flouting dot-com tradition. Much more than other advertising-supported Web site, Google is a technology-driven company — one founded by computer science prodigies who have hired more than 50 computer science Ph.D.'s to create an information mill that sifts through an index of three billion Web pages, pictures and messages more than 150 million times a day.

The executives' disdain for business meant they spent nothing to advertise their site and cut very few deals with other sites. They have insisted that the ads that do run on Google should employ only words, not pictures, so as not to slow the site's amazingly quick response time.

All this has made Google Silicon Valley's hottest private company, one deluged with 1,000 résumés a day. And the whisper is that when Google finally does go public, probably in the next year or so, it will make its debut with a multibillion dollar valuation. (That is one dot-com tradition the company probably will not disdain.)

But Google has its share of challenges. The very success of Google .com, which is now the nation's sixth-most popular Internet site and is growing ever more popular abroad, undercuts its effort to be hired to provide search technology for other sites.

Analysts wonder, in fact, whether Yahoo will see Google as too much a rival to renew its contract, which was worth $6.1 million in cash (and far more in publicity) for the last year. The Yahoo deal expires in June. Google's effort to expand to other areas, like providing search capabilities for corporations' internal Web sites, has yet to pay off.

And most importantly, while Google is the leader in searching Web pages, it is a tiny force in the rapidly growing market for selling advertising related to search. The dominant player there is Overture Services, which began life as GoTo.com (news/quote), a search engine that let Web sites bid to be listed and ranked in searches. (Whoever pays most gets listed first, the runner-up is listed second, and so on.)

Users never warmed to GoTo, but advertisers, especially small ones, jumped on it. What better place to advertise your cozy inn than on a page where someone is searching for information about the Berkshires? So Overture regrouped, and it now offers to split revenue with sites that display its listings on their search results pages. Yahoo, MSN, America Online and all the other major sites — except Google — have agreed.

Google has increasingly modeled its ad program on Overture's, introducing a feature in February that lets advertisers bid for more prominent position. (The ads on Google appear either above or to the side of the main search results.) Overture responded on Friday by suing Google, claiming patent infringement, an accusation Google denies.

But the bigger question is whether Google has the scale to capture a viable share of the search advertising market. In other words, can Google create a business model even remotely as good as its technology?

"The days of investing in Web sites we love are over," said Lanny Baker, a Salomon Smith Barney analyst. "People rave about Google. But as a business, it will take an awful lot for them to catch up to Overture."

Mr. Schmidt says Google's sales are growing so briskly he is not worried. Google will not disclose its results, but competitors estimate its sales at $15 million to $25 million a quarter. (Overture is expected to post $126 million in revenue for the first quarter.)

The founders, Sergey Brin, now 28, and Larry Page, 29, who started Google in 1998 after dropping out of Stanford's computer science doctoral program, say they still believe that if they devote themselves to improving Web search technology, the users and thus the advertisers will follow.

"We have pride that we are building a service that is really important to the world and really successful for the long term," Mr. Page said.

The cornerstone of Google's search technology is something it calls Page Rank (after Larry Page, not Web page). It determines a site's popularity based on the number of other sites that have links pointing to it. When a user types a query into Google, it first finds all the pages that contain the query terms and then displays the pages in order, based on the Page Rank.

The founders, both sons of university professors, take pride in their tough admission standards, having interviewed 50 candidates before choosing Mr. Schmidt as chief executive, for example.

The search was "interminable," said Michael Moritz, the Sequoia Capital venture capitalist who is on Google's board. They still have not picked a chief financial officer. The soft-spoken Mr. Schmidt fit in because he is an accomplished engineer who happens to have spent some time running a company.

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Mr. Brin and Mr. Page, who share a dry and impetuous sense of humor, have also cultivated an impudent culture, as if nerds had taken over a college dorm. Programmers work by the light of lava lamps into the wee hours of the morning, taking breaks to ride motorized scooters down the halls and eat spicy meals prepared by the house cook, Charlie Ayers, the former chef for the Grateful Dead.

This bitbucket bonhomie has resulted in a steady stream of nifty features, like a rather unusual approach to fixing users' spelling errors. Instead of a predetermined dictionary, it looks for correct spelling in its index of the entire Web. That means it can propose correct spellings to proper names, and it works in 74 languages, most of which no one at Google has ever spoken. Or in some cases, no person anywhere has ever spoken: Google runs versions of its sites in a few languages that no one has spoken, like Bork Bork Bork, purported to be the tongue of the Swedish chef on "The Muppet Show."

The company is so infatuated with its technical prowess and sense of destiny that it has developed a reputation as being difficult to deal with.

"Serge and Larry are very blunt and very cocky," said Danny Sullivan, editor of Search Engine Watch, an online newsletter. "They honestly believe they can do a better job than other people, and they don't have any hesitation in saying that."

Mr. Schmidt, who is 46, makes clear that managing Google's cocky culture is one of his tasks. "It's easy for companies like ours to get arrogant," he said. "That makes people get madder as you are winning. I think you need to win, but you are better off winning softly."

Mr. Schmidt has also done other things grown-up executives are supposed to do. Like reining in spending for his first few months until the company became profitable. Like recruiting a bunch of new vice presidents and imposing systems for sales forecasting. And ordering an international expansion.

He also sometimes challenges the geeks to be less geeky. Late last year, Mr. Schmidt, no novice at technical matters, wanted to test the ease of installation of one of Google's new products — a computer server the size of a pizza box, which corporations can buy to search their internal networks.

After four frustrating hours, he sent off a nasty e-mail to the designers. The revised version he received several days later was much easier to use. But at a company meeting several days later, David Watson, an engineer and one of the rebuked designers, stood up and presented Mr. Schmidt with a certificate labeled "Tester Technical Award: Most Improved."

"That doesn't happen in real companies," Mr. Schmidt says, still in wonder at the act, cheeky even by engineers' insubordinate standards. The certificate now hangs on the wall of Mr. Schmidt's small office.

The biggest challenge for Mr. Schmidt, though, is balancing Google's increasing popularity among Web users with the needs and demands of the other Web sites, like Yahoo, for which it provides search technology. Google still charges a fee for each search conducted. And in the last two years, it has lost ground to others like Overture and Inktomi (news/quote), which actually pay Web portals to use their technologies — since their revenue comes from the sites whose pages Overture and Inktomi index.

To keep other portals interested, Google recently started letting other sites run the text ads it sells alongside its search results and agreed to split the revenue.

So far, only Earthlink has agreed, bouncing Overture's paid listings from its main page.

But Google does not yet appear to have sufficient clout with some of the bigger sites. Analysts say Google cannot deliver enough money to supplant Overture from AOL, the AOL Time Warner (news/quote) flagship service. And Microsoft (news/quote)'s MSN selected Inktomi — not Google — to provide technology for its search service, because Inktomi does not operate its own search site.

"At the end of the day, Google is becoming more of a competitor to Microsoft and MSN," said Brian Gluth, a senior product manager for MSN. "We want to work with partners who don't compete with us."

Mr. Schmidt argues that Google's search technique is so superior that other sites gain traffic and happy users when they adopt it. He will have to hope he can convince Terry Semel, chief executive of Yahoo, when Google's current contract with the leading Web portal expires in two months.

"Terry must be asking why Yahoo has helped build what could be one of its greatest competitors," said Evan Thornley, the chief executive of LookSmart (news/quote), a Google competitor.

Meanwhile, other companies are not willing to concede the search quality game to Google. One of them, Ask Jeeves (news/quote), has acquired Teoma, a search service developed at Rutgers University. And last month, Look-Smart bought WiseNut, a Korean-backed search technology firm.

"The history of search is that pundits declared the winner at the end of every lap," Mr. Thornley said. "You have to be careful if you start to smoke your own stuff and believe you are the only one who can build a great search engine. There was a two-year window when Google was the only company focused on building search. No more."



To: Sully- who wrote (49647)4/9/2002 10:03:05 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Saudi sees Israeli danger for U.S.

From the International Desk

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, April 9 (UPI) -- Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah warned Secretary of State Colin Powell that Israel's continued military operations in the West Bank would endanger U.S. interests in the Arab world, the Saudi Press Agency said Tuesday.

Abdullah, on a private visit to Morocco, met Powell there Monday night and urged him to push for implementation of President Bush's call for Israel's immediate withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories.

Such a U.S. initiative, he said, would protect Washington's credibility in the eyes of the Arab and Islamic worlds, as well as its interests.

The U.S. administration, he said, holds cards that enable it to put an end to the bloodshed and humiliation committed by the Israeli government against "our brothers in Palestine, and against the humanity of every Arab, Muslim or Christian and every freedom fighter."

Abdullah and Powell discussed the need for a cease-fire in the Palestinian territories, followed by Israel's withdrawal from lands it conquered in 1967 and the establishment of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, in line with the Arab peace initiative.

Other points in the initiative, adopted at an Arab summit in Beirut last month, call for the return of Palestinian refugees to their homeland and for the Arab states to establish normal ties with Israel.

Powell's meeting with Abdullah is part of his bid to ease tensions sparked by Israel's seizure of key West Bank towns and cities and its restriction of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to his Ramallah offices. The secretary of state was in Egypt Tuesday and was also to visit Spain for talks with European Union leaders and then to Jordan and Israel.

In a news conference following his meeting with Abdullah, Powell said Monday he looked forward to meeting with Arafat.

"My mission remains to encourage the Israeli government to do as the President (Bush) suggested to them, and then hopefully when I complete my consultations with the other leaders in the international community," he said. "...hopefully I will have a chance and am looking forward to seeing Chairman Arafat."

Powell said he understood Israel's action but said it was affecting both the Jewish state and the United States.

"Certainly Prime Minister (Ariel) Sharon believed he had to do what he did, but it's created a new dynamic which is damaging the strategic situation with Israel as we see it, as well as our own strategic situation," he said.

Powell also welcomed Israel's Monday decision to pull back from two West Bank towns, Qalkilya and Tulkarim.

"So we hope that this is the start of the pullback, and we'll just see what happens in the days ahead," he said. "But it is an encouraging sign, and I am pleased that the prime minister has made this decision, and I hope it is the beginning of a full withdrawal."

Copyright © 2002 United Press International



To: Sully- who wrote (49647)4/10/2002 2:12:40 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Ten Killed, 20 Wounded in Explosion on Bus in Israel

By Nick Wells

Jerusalem, April 10 (Bloomberg) -- At least 10 people were killed and 20 injured in an explosion on board a bus near Haifa in northern Israel, Agence France-Presse and other news services reported.

Police described the explosion as a terrorist attack, Cable News Network said. The attack occurred at about 7:20 a.m. local time on board a commuter bus heading out of Haifa, CNN said.

``The sight is horrible,'' the Israeli daily newspaper Ha'aretz cited Yitzhak Rotman as telling Israel Radio from the scene. ``There are many dead bodies, some outside the bus, some inside. The bus is shattered from one end to the other.''

The bombing will further damage prospects for a U.S.-brokered cease-fire, a day after 13 Israeli soldiers were killed in an ambush in the West Bank town of Jenin.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell is in the region to try to bring about a cease-fire. Powell, scheduled to arrive in Israel tomorrow night, said yesterday the U.S. will send observers to the Middle East if Israel and the Palestinians reach a truce to end 18 months of fighting.

A suicide bomb attack in Haifa on March 31 left 16 people dead.