To: Tom Kiesel who wrote (25341 ) 4/6/2002 12:04:15 PM From: haqihana Respond to of 59480 Tom K, It appears that your ancestors did not stray form "home" as much as mine did. I am Irish, English, Welsh, French, German, Seneca, and Mohawk. I kinda like being a duke's mixture. When you spoke of Michigan State, I believe it was sandintoes that matriculated there. I am one of those collegiate oddities called a Texas Aggie, and I can assure you that things are different there, than anywhere in the North territories. Your experience at the concert, is a bit strange, to say the least. I, somehow, doubt the sincerity of the Christianity of Brother John Gilles, but from what I have read, Jesus accepts all kinds as long as they recognize Him as Lord, and Savior. On colonialism, when you consider all of the Americas, the Spanish would come first, if you discount the reports of Vikings arriving a few hundred years earlier, the English, and the French came a bit later. The inhabitants of the 13 colonies in North America, were mainly of British decent, although there was a contingent of the Dutch left over from those that first colonized the area of New York. The Spanish came for gold, and just colonized as an expediency toward that goal. They remained Spanish citizens for many years after. Although the early settlers of North America were, technically, citizens of England, and France, the freedom of the "new world" soon put a distance between their ideals, and those of their European counterparts. That may not be, exactly, cutting the apron strings, but is definitely a departure. You are correct, in that many of the richer colonists remained loyal to the crown. Probably because they felt more secure bowing to a Monarch, and not upsetting the apple cart they had so long ridden. Some of them depended on British ties for their wealth, and surely did not want to lose that advantage. Some of the culture of the British still is in Americans of those descents, but they are mostly of a ceremonial nature, IMO. I am sure there were some ulterior motives in some of the American revolutionaries. There always are in such situations. It's kind of like Texas. Although contrary to the history books, Andrew Jackson sent Sam Houston down to Texas to steal it from Mexico. When the battle of San Jacinto sealed the fate of Santa Ana, there was a US Army unit just across the Sabine River, and rumor has it, that a number of them "volunteered" to participate in the battle. No political entity is "lily white", IMO. Have a good weekend.