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To: AC Flyer who wrote (17901)	4/6/2002 6:13:09 PM
From: Moominoid	Respond to of 74559

Here in Australia, I don't have to join the union but the employer only negotiates with the union. Doesn't make much sense to me except that it saves the employer effort I guess. But this means I have to put up with the deal struck between the union and the employer. For example the huge proportion of pay that was directed to the superannuation scheme (way above the government's required minimum). Coming in here as a 31 year old who will likely inherit a reasonable amount of money why would I stick 24% of nominal pay into a scheme I can't access until I'm 60? (it was 55 when the union originally negotiated the deal but for people born after 1960 the age was raised by one year a year until for 1964 when I was born it was 60). I cannot access that money even if I leave Australia. I think I was the only person at my Centre that didn't belong to the union and the only academic to vote for the Liberal party so dissidents like me didn't count for much.

To: AC Flyer who wrote (17901)	4/7/2002 2:41:49 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 74559

>>"you can fire someone for a good reason, a bad reason or no reason, as long as you don't violate their civil rights."<< I think that's more than an implicit contract, it's explicit in the law. I don't know about Massachusetts but employment-at-will is the law in Virginia absent an employment contract to the contrary. Some states, and under some circumstances, the Federal government, make certain employers provide severance pay but I am not aware of any state that says private employers can't fire employees at will. Unless there is a contract, a union, or unless you work for the civil service (government).

To: AC Flyer who wrote (17901)	4/7/2002 4:57:58 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

>>So, when US workers strike it's because they have a heartfelt grievance of some kind (as framed by their local AFL-CIO bloodsucker). When Euro-workers strike, it's because they didn't like the meatballs served in the cafeteria that day or because there's no toilet paper in the bathroom or some such equally pressing issue. << Aw,cmon, Mike, this is silly. Can you give me some examples? Should not be quotes from National Enquirer, Sun or anything of similar (yellow) color dj