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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (163611)4/6/2002 5:18:19 PM
From: Charles Gryba  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
wbmw, your whole reasoning is based on assertions on your part. First, Intel HAD the luxury of long product cycles and long verification timelines. Not anymore, hence the problems they had in 2000. Just because AMD's errata list is shorter you cannot claim that that is because they cut the verification procedures short. Is it so hard to admit that one CPU may be better designed than others? Coming from the software profession I know there's no such thing as bug-free software but a better design will have a lot fewer bugs than a worse design.

C



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (163611)4/6/2002 7:16:18 PM
From: Tony Viola  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Beamer,

>Errata lists are neither good nor bad. They are simply a means to communicate problems that haven't been fixed in a given product release.

Good post. One thing you didn't mention is that the OEMs, lots of them, work with Intel from day zero, A0 stepping, and through subsequent steppings, to be able to have PCs ready at Intel launch time. Usually, Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc., are standing there with Intel on the day. This also results in more errata being recorded because the customers want to see product extremely early in the cycle. With AMD, I think, the OEMs typically wait longer, and bugs that would have become errata are fixed before chips go out. There are those around here that will say: "yet another excuse by an I-bee", but I say, been there, done that, with the day zero chips, etc.

Tony



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (163611)4/6/2002 11:26:02 PM
From: steve harris  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 186894
 
wanna_bmw,

Ok, you win.

AMD errata list is longer than Intel's.

Steve



To: wanna_bmw who wrote (163611)4/7/2002 11:26:18 AM
From: Windsock  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894
 
Wanna - Re:"Validation is an ongoing process, and many bugs are found after silicon actually ships to market."

AMD performs very little validation testing. Most of the errata in an AMD chip are just unknown and unfixed at the next stepping.