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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (24047)	4/9/2002 8:57:33 AM
From: JEB	Respond to of 281500

American Justice for Americans -- No International Criminal Court for Us April 4, 2002 Dear friend of liberty, The International Criminal Court (ICC) will soon become a reality. The United Nations will hold a celebration for their new world court on Thursday, April 11, 2002 in New York and Rome. The International Criminal Court will claim judicial supremacy over the United States and its people. We are asking President Bush to make it clear to the International Criminal Court that the supreme law of our land is the Constitution of the United States -- not the ICC. Rescinding the American signature to the ICC treaty that former President Bill Clinton authorized would clearly express that conviction. If you haven't signed the petition to President Bush, please do so now. We are in the process of preparing the petitions for delivery to the White House. Link to Petition: thelibertycommittee.org Also, please tell a few friends about this petition. If you are one of the 100,000-plus people who have already signed the petition, thank you! Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee thelibertycommittee.org

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (24047)	4/9/2002 9:17:02 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I have never seen an Ottoman map, so I can't confirm what you are saying. I do, however, possess a couple of historical atlases, that show the area as being possessed by a number of different regimes. Let's see - the map of the Assyrian Empire, 824 B.C. to 625 B.C. shows a tiny circle called Judah about where the West Bank is now. The circle isn't there on the map of the new Babylonian empire, 625-539 B.C. Oh, here's the map showing the kingdom of David and Solomon, 10th century B.C. That's got a black line around Philistia (roughly the Gaza strip), Judah, Israel, Ammon, and Syria. North is Phoenicia and the Assyrian Empire, south is the Sinai peninsula. Under Alexander the Great, 323 B.C., the entire area is called Syria. Under the Roman empire, circa 117 A.D., it's called Palestine. Under the Eastern Roman empire, fourth and fifth century A.D. it's called Oriens. Circa 800 A.D., it's part of the Caliphate of the Abbasids, no particular name given. No doubt Westerners called it "the Holy Land." No idea what the Arabs called it. Circa 1000 A.D., it's part of the Fatimite Caliphate. Circa 1097, north of Ascalon (roughly) it's part of the Sultonate of Rum, and south still part of the Fatimite Califate of Cairo. After 1204, it's part of the Sultanate of Saladin and the Ayyubids. Doesn't show up on one of the maps again for a while, at which point it is simply part of the Ottoman Empire. So what? The area along the Mediterranean has been thickly populated for millennia, by people of many nations. The Jews don't appear to have any special claim, to me, based on the history of the region. Maybe I am missing the point, which is why I ask.