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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (24084)	4/9/2002 11:24:38 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

In other words, the land was not entirely desolate and empty. Some Arabs lived in towns, even. Maybe they did not call themselves Palestinian, but so what?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (24084)	4/9/2002 10:43:06 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Nadine Carroll; Re: "In 1880, when Zionist settlement began, the total population of Palestine was about 300,000." Current Arabic population in the area is what, 6 million? A 20x increase over 122 years is only 2.5% per year. This is compatible with natural increase in human populations, at least for places with higher growth rates. The entire world achieved a 2% growth rate per year during the 1960s, and the growth rate is still around 1.4%. In other words, so much for the land being empty when the Israelis moved in and took it over. But this is all arguing over morality. Morality won't decide this issue any more than morality will give Manhattan back to the Indians. What will decide this issue is bullets. Todays news (ambush kills 13 Israeli soldiers) indicates that the Palestinians may be getting wise to how to properly execute a guerilla war. As time goes on and the Palestinians continue to improve (and we all agree that they are the ones that have the most left to learn), Israeli casualties will rise to unacceptable levels. Already Israel is taking casualties that far exceed US Vietnam combat death rates, on a per capita basis. As this goes on, the numbers will continue to shift against the Israelis. When Israel realizes that they are negotiating from a position of profound weakness, then the two sides will have a joint basis to negotiate a realistic solution. (Peace and freedom for all.) -- Carl Population growth rate reference: learner.org