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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (246998)	4/11/2002 12:09:40 AM
From: MSI	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

All I'd like to see is absolutely full disclosure, and let the consequences be. There are two sides to the issues, but sometimes the distinctions are artificial. One environmental issue that got my goat was Maxxum out of Texas, purchasing a 100-year old family's lumber co., called "Pacific Lumber", which had sustainably harvested 4% or so per year. The CEO Hurwitz ratcheted that up to 16% to pay for the junk bonds, and started in on the thousand-year-old redwoods, which the family had preserved. I'm all for financial engineering, but there's something about thousand-year-old redwoods that gets my dander up, even tho' there is a conflict with private property, there's a commons issue here somewhere. I'm on the side of the wackos on that one, if they can slow down the destruction, until various options can be dealt with. If the public (the real public, not the phony paid-off politicians' version of 'the public') can have a chance to pay even an extortionate price to keep these standing, for instance, that would benefit the mogul. The further irritation is with the propaganda fed to loggers about their jobs, and "f* you" attitude of Maxxam, when in fact unsustainable logging puts many of them out of work in short order. Leaving un-tourist-like territory, without much value to anyone, like the coal territories of W. Virginia, with the same economics (except marijuana, probably). The CEO of Maxxam, Chas Hurwitz, even has a website by his devoted fans: jailhurwitz.com (Don't let Emile see that, tho', I just discovered Hurwitz is a prominent Huston Jew...) Here's a guy that's done a triple - scammed $1.6b of S&L money, grabbed PL's pension fund, and looted the redwoods. (and a big Bush supporter, as expected... mind:http://past.thenation.com/e2k/recent/0410loewenberg.shtml) Re: Sierra Club in the White House, wasn't that what they were saying w. Gore in as VP? <g> I'm on the other side, too: I'm attempting to establish a mining claim in Nevada, which is withheld at the moment, but considering this administration has a chance of being released. It's near a river, but has no impact the way it's situated and developed. Excesses by environmentalists have stopped it, and I've gone to meetings to talk about it, and even tho' I disagree w. these folks, they're well-meaning, and the only problem is getting the facts straight and trusting what each other says. Growing up in logging country, I'm also in favor of rational logging, and love woodworking and lumber in general. The whole key to enjoying this resource is keeping it sane, rather than wiping out the resource so the next generation has nothing. Anyway, my 2-cents