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To: cosmicforce who wrote (8393)4/11/2002 4:21:24 PM
From: Poet  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
I have the impression the "emotional" and "reactive" are bad words in your lexicon. They're not as such in mine, cosmic. We all have emotions about things we care about and you've shown yours in the post to which I'm responding.

If you are Christian you are tolerated, if not, you'd better keep a low profile.

This is an odd thing to say, and most certainly hasn't been my experience.

If you want to do a reality check, look at the change in your pocket or the bills in your wallet or, look at the many places where you still take the witness stand and place your hand on the bible when you "testify".

It's comments like this that have earned secularists a well-deserved reputation as disdainful. Do you honestly think I, or most Americans, are unaware of the allusions to God on our currency, etc.? Do you think that every Christian supports the muddying of Church and State? Let me give you a reality check: we live in a world where not everything is the way we'd like. Personally, I'm embarrassed by the behavior of many Christian Fundamentalists, but they don't threaten me. I believe what I believe and no one will change it. Not Evil and CL with their threats of Hell, not you with your insistence that everything be "rational". Faith doesn't work that way.

BTW, I'm most certainly not an atheist. Solon is also on record as not being an atheist. So, once again, anyone who is not Christian is, by a parochial definition, an atheist. That is my POINT.

Unresponsive and off the point. I have no idea how many Jews, Muslims and Hindus live in your area, but if you made that statement in my neck of the woods, you be looked at with amusement. And you would probably think you're being put down for being an agnostic.



To: cosmicforce who wrote (8393)4/11/2002 4:49:44 PM
From: marcos  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 21057
 
'I think aid should be given without religious strings attached.'

In the mid-90s there was a religious group came to Chiapas from the south or mid-west of the US, likely baptists or something like that, presbyterian maybe, i never knew ... they had representatives in San Cristóbal prior to the events of Dec '94, but in Jan or Feb '95 they absolutely invaded a village some distance from there, near twenty of them if not more ... they had little to no spanish to start, and neither did many of the locals of course ... they were clearly a group bound together and motivated by their religion, but they would not speak of it, they were there to 1. learn the local language, 2. just generally join the community, and 3. in so doing, provide a human shield between the locals and the people with guns, and help out in whatever way presented itself ... one was a young lady from medical school, not yet a doctor, others had various useful skills including nursing and farming background etc ... this was one of many groups who came, but one of the earliest

Over a period of at least six weeks they did not push religion of any kind, in fact you couldn't pry out of them any specifics on what their religion was, beyond the very general 'christian', they were entirely pragmatic folk and they respected the elders who form local government there .... i never went back to the place, so i don't know, maybe they snuck the religion in later, but from all i saw they were excellent representatives of one people to another