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To: TimF who wrote (5532)4/12/2002 10:39:49 AM
From: thames_siderRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 6089
 
Some Europeans and many third world governments called the US involvement in Vietnam a crime against humanity.

Before my time (and not sufficiently far-off for me to have studied...). Did they? I'd be rather less convinced. Still, although it was undoubtedly a brutal war, it was a war: and subject to war's rules. If there was deliberate targeting of civilians, or torture, or whatever - then shouldn't those accused, and those responsible, stand charged?
If not, then there's no case to answer.

Of course Pinochet was actually involved in abuse of human rights, but not in Spain.
Spanish citizens in Chile.
Or doesn't the US want its citizens protected abroad? (rhetorical q).
I'd say he's an excellent case of exactly why you need an extra-territorial court: because otherwise you (being a vicious, greedy, arbitrary and ruthless dictator) write the rules of your country so you and yours are immune. Voila, no crime and who cares if thousands died under death squads.

Are genocide, terrorism and crimes against humanity OK by you?
Or is it just OK if they're committed by Americans?
Or does it only count as a crime if Americans die?

Do you think Bush was wrong to act outside his own borders?

Will you think it wrong when (say) in 2080 the Chinese Hegemony invades the US and hauls off a few thousand 'terrorists' from their Xtian heartlands in Utah, Montana and Texas from where they've been spreading fundamentalism?

Enough. You're too blinkered for me. "It isn't Republican policy, so I'se against it."
Bye.



To: TimF who wrote (5532)4/13/2002 2:36:33 AM
From: Raymond DurayRead Replies (3) | Respond to of 6089
 
Tim,

Re: Some Europeans and many third world governments called the US involvement in Vietnam a crime against humanity.

As do many of us U.S. citizens.

Re: last time I checked the US was a free democratic state.

This is certainly open to question. As one wag put it, the U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our present form of government.

Cheers, Ray