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To: Win Smith who wrote (24766)4/12/2002 11:22:14 AM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
No, he uses homing pigeons. Didn't you know?

Seriously, doesn't the timing say a lot? Are you unconvinced by the IDF evidence concerning PA payments to the Al Aqsa Brigades?

If you think he has no way of communicating, you are sadly mistaken. Moreover, it could be an aide who is not incommunicado who is authorized to give out the orders.

Encrypted satellite phones are also a fairly secure way to communicate. I'd be surprised if he didn't have one of those.

I can think of a million ways to skin that cat.



To: Win Smith who wrote (24766)4/12/2002 12:55:56 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
So, most of the conventional infrastructure on the West Bank seems to be rubble at this point, but somehow the "terrorist infrastructure" is still in place

As I'm sure you realise, this reasoning is bogus. The Israelis were under no illusion that suicide bombing would suddenly stop, especially if they were forced to pull out of cities so quickly. Like most maufacturing enterprises, suicide bombing has a pipeline, and the security forces knew that a good number of already 'manufactured' bombers had been dispersed and were ready to go.

As I see it, there were four main purposes to this incursion

1. Disrupt the 'manufacturing' capacity of the militias, especially Al Aqsa, by destroying their bases, weapons, factories and fighters.
2. Gather intelligence
3. Unteach the lessons of Lebanon and remove the aura of invincibility from the Al Aqsa and Hamas fighter.
4. Fight back rather than let Israelis be slaughtered without resistance.

We will have to see how it plays out. The costs in human destructrion, further radicalization, and terrible PR are obvious. It will take some time to see if any of the goals were achieved.



To: Win Smith who wrote (24766)4/12/2002 12:57:03 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Israel Won't Commit to Withdrawal

Fri Apr 12,12:18 PM ET
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) - His peacekeeping mission off to a rocky start, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) and Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) failed to reach agreement Friday on a timetable for withdrawing Israeli troops from Palestinian cities and towns.

Not long after their meeting, an explosion triggered by a suicide bomber went off near Jerusalem's outdoor market, killing at least six people and injuring 50.

Powell spoke to Sharon to express regrets and condemn the terrorist act, saying it illustrates the dangerous situation and the need for Israel and the Palestinians to find a solution to stop the spiraling violence.

Earlier in the day, after Powell and Sharon had talked for four hours, the secretary said: "I hope we can find a way to come to agreement on this point of the duration of the operations and get back to a track that will lead to a political settlement because that is uppermost in everyone's mind."

Sharon, for his part, gave no commitment on when the military operation would end.

"Israel is conducting a war against the Palestinian infrastructure of terror and hopes to end it as soon as possible," Sharon said at a news conference with Powell.

As the United States stepped up pressure on both sides to end the violence, an explosion triggered by another suicide bomber went off near Jerusalem's outdoor market Friday. News reports said six people were killed and at least 50 wounded.

President Bush (news - web sites) condemned the bombing, said spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites). "There are people in the region who want to disrupt Secretary Powell's mission. The president will not be deterred from seeking peace," Fleischer said.

Powell said he will tell Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) when they meet Saturday that the time has come for action against such terror.

"What is important now is not just rhetoric going on into the air with no effect but action, action that will bring this violence under control, action that will give a feeling of hope to the people in the region and that will be my message to Chairman Arafat and we will see what his reaction is," Powell said.

Powell's comments came after a separate meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, who said Israel has no interest in remaining in the Palestinian areas for any length of time. "We are talking about a week or something a little bit more than that," Peres said.

President Bush last week called on Israel to pull back "without delay." Initially supportive of Israel's counterterror tactics, the administration has accelerated its demands that Israel ease up.

Powell did say he and Sharon had a "mutual commitment" to bring the two sides to negotiations toward a peace settlement that would eventually lead to a Palestinian state.

"We recognize that eventually to reach the kind of solution that is needed, the parties must talk," Powell said, "the parties must begin negotiations."

He said Sharon had offered "a commitment to peace, a commitment to finding a way forward ... so that these two peoples can live together side by side."

In what appeared to be a gesture ahead of Powell's arrival, Israeli forces withdrew from about two dozen small towns and villages. However, they briefly moved into a new one: Kalil near the northern city of Nablus, where troops made arrests before leaving, the military said in a statement Friday. Military activity continued in a number of other cities, including Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Dura and Dahariyah, south of Hebron.

Israel's army says 4,185 Palestinians have been detained since the operation began two weeks ago.

Sharon cast the military operation as a prudent response to terrorist attacks.

"The suicide bombers' terrorism represents a danger for Israel and the entire free world," he said. "Israel is the only democracy in the world in which there are guards in every school and in every kindergarten in order to protect the children against Palestinian terrorism."

Although Sharon offered no timetable for ending the two-week military thrust, Powell said the prime minister "is anxious to bring these operations to an end."

Powell said that while the United States recognizes the need of Israel to defend itself, "at the same time, as a friend of Israel, we have to take note of the long-term strategic consequences" of the violence.

Later Friday, Powell took a helicopter tour of the Lebanese border area, where Israeli warplanes have blasted suspected guerrilla hide-outs in southern Lebanon after Hezbollah fighters attacked Israeli outposts.

Powell touched down in Safed, headquarters of Israel's northern command with Lebanon and Syria in view off the horizon, where he was meeting with the commander, Maj. Gen. Gaby Ashkanazi.

A spokesman for the command, Maj. Dinor Shavit, said "the situation is very sensitive," at the border. "The place can get into escalation in a minute because of terror."

About 20 miles away, Hezbollah guerillas fired anti-aircraft missiles at Sheba Farms, an Israeli outpost that Lebanon continues to claim after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon. The shelling, virtually a daily occurrence, could not be heard where Powell was being briefed by Israeli officials. There was no report of any injuries.

Powell called the briefing "sobering" and he urged all nations, especially Syria, with influence in Lebanon, to restrain Hezbollah attacks.

Powell will meet Saturday with Arafat in his devastated office in the West Bank city of Ramallah. Powell said this week that Israel must deal with Arafat as a partner in peacemaking.

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On the Net:

State Department's Near East desk: state.gov



To: Win Smith who wrote (24766)4/12/2002 1:30:18 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell  Respond to of 281500
 
I'd love to know whether the average Palestinian is really satisfied with the course of events since Arafat, Hamas, etc, relaunched the latest Intifada, leading to the election of Sharon with the results we now see.

The people sending suicide bombers among Israeli citizens knew full well what the outcome would eventually be.

Did Arafat say, in Arabic, "Brace yourselves well for the next 5 years, I plan to bring Israel economically and politically to their knees, but oh by the way, we will have to suffer complete destruction of our own budding economic infrastructure as a consequence".

Forget about all the nitwits who have the money and connections to buy black market AK47 assault rifles, I'm talking about the average Palestinian.

Are they really happy with what the Arafat, Hamas and Sharon show has forced on them ?

Be interesting to know some of this under the cover of anonymity, because I seriously doubt that those Palestinians who were part of the slowly improving economic situation there welcome this course of events at all.