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To: SilentZ who wrote (144838)	4/12/2002 8:11:22 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576081

>Z, I am not sure what you mean. I substituted a grenade for an egg from an old saying because they are about the same size and to make the old saying fit the scene. I guess I don't get your question. My question was... are these people stuck in refugee camps in poverty because of Israeli actions, or because the Arab leaders would like them to stay there. Z, I think the Palestinians are the pawn between Israel and the rest of the Arab nations. > knew that they tend to be left wing.....so I was watching how he presented the info very carefully. He seemed balanced and measured in his complaints. He said his worst complaint was that his ambulances and medical people were stopped by Israeli soldiers and not allowed to get to where the injured and dead were lying. The Israeli representative present on the show was unable to rebuke that claim. I can. There's video footage from the beginning of the intifada of ambulances being used to bring rocks and Molotov cocktails to the crowds of Palestinians. In the last two weeks alone, Israel has arrested a gunman hiding in an ambulance underneath the stretcher with a sick child on it trying to get through a checkpoint, as well as another ambulance with a bomb in it. The driver of the ambulance with the bomb, when questioned by police, said that there were other drivers doing the same thing. At least one of the female suicide bombers so far (actually, I think two of the four) worked for the Red Crescent, the Muslim Red Cross. Also, a woman a couple of days ago tried to pass a pillow strapped to her waist over a bomb as a pregnancy... she was caught. I am well aware of those incidences. The guy from Amnesty wasn't challenging the strip searching that the Israelis do to short circuit that kind of activity but rather the wholesale stopping and preventing of ambulences and medical personnel from reaching the dead and wounded. In Jenin, apparently those numbers were well over a hundred. >The Israeli rep. said they were under strict orders to only go after suspected terrorist members. However, there was evidence shown on the show that would indicate otherwise. Such as? Women and old men were pushed and shoved. A family [hus.; wife, two little kids] sitting and trying to eat dinner while the Israeli soldiers ransacked their home.....stuff like that. >Huh? Doesn't that contradict what you said above? >This is supposed to be more a police action.......however, whether it is or isn't, there is no room for atrocities. Its bad enough countries on the level of the Serbs commit such atrocities but Israel should be above that sht. Unfortunately, the hate is so great. Every show where a Palestinian and an Israeli are present, the hate and anger are very clear and there is no stopping it.........they are ready to kill each other. In every war, there are atrocities even on the side of the good guys. Even Americans. How can you describe this as a war? There are not two armies duking it out. I considered the US intervention in Afghanistan a police action even with the Taliban fighting. And the Palestinian opposition is much less a fighting force than the Taliban. I haven't heard of any massacres that have actually been documented in the territories, but I've definitely heard of a number in Vietnam. I also heard a local guy talk proudly about how he and his comrades in the Gulf War found an Iraqi soldier's body which just had the lower half and head, and not the torso, so they put the head on top of the butt and took a picture with it. They pass it around every year at Thanksgiving. Things like that are so not cool but war is war, and sometimes a country throws men into battle whom it doesn't know how they'll react. Israel and America both take responsibility and punish people that commit atrocities like that, if they catch them. The Palestinians definitely do not. First because we have done it in the past does not make it alright. Secondly, with each passing year, that sht becomes less acceptable. And as for not knowing how some guys will react, that's bull.....everyone knows that soldiers have used past military action as an excuse to rape, torture and kill, and if they knew they were to be held accountable, they wouldn't do it. To often when American soldiers have done something like that.....there has been a lot of winking and letting things slide. Furthermore it's unfair but I expect a little more from the Israeli soldier. They are fighting in their own backyard......the world is watching....you make sure you don't screw up in your own backyard. ted