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To: JohnM who wrote (25217)4/14/2002 11:54:04 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
The quotes skinowski presented were transparent enough: the blame rests squarely on Bush for either acting or not acting. The blame for whatever present evil transpires between Israel and Palestine, the blame for all future evils, and the blame for any future terrorist attacks on the United States: it all rests on Bush.

A nice, neat little package. No loose ends.



To: JohnM who wrote (25217)4/15/2002 12:02:36 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
War Fever
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By Chris Matthews
San Francisco Chronicle
Sunday, April 14, 2002

Washington -- The American people are being herded into war. An astounding 81 percent of us now believe it "likely" that U.S. troops will be sent into the Middle East. That's what people are telling the Gallup Poll.

Yet when the same Americans are asked if President Bush has a "well thought out" Mideast policy, the answer comes back 48 percent "yes" and 47 percent "no. "

"And it's one, two, three, what are we fightin' for? Don't ask me. I don't give a damn, next stop is . . ."

OK, what is the next stop?

Do we expect to have our sons and daughters standing on the "green line" separating Israel from the occupied Arab West Bank? How could that be? How could we be going to fight somewhere when we don't have a "well thought out" idea of why or who we're fighting? Will U.S. forces be sent to protect Arabs from Israeli tanks or to protect Israel's pizza parlors and buses from Palestinian suicide bombers?

I can't imagine which would be the dumber, more dangerous assignment. Can you imagine some guy from Arkansas trying to tell the tough-as-nails Israeli Defense Force not to protect its country? Can you imagine some kid from the Bronx trying to figure out which Palestinian might have suicide in mind? They'd have a hard time with that mission even if they spoke both Hebrew and Arabic.

Here's another disturbing Gallup number: 59 percent of Americans favor sending U.S. troops to invade Iraq in order to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

At the very time the United States faces global Islamic hostility for our support of Israel, a strong majority of Americans wants to invade an Arab country. They would be willing to send hundreds of thousands of our troops to Baghdad, thereby establishing a second East-West front. With Israeli tanks rolling through the streets of the West Bank, killing Arabs, American tanks would be rolling through the streets of Baghdad, killing Arabs.

Does anyone seriously think anything would come of this two-front war but more Arab hostility, more anti-Zionist zealotry, more nationalism or more hatred of our country?

Put more bluntly, are the American people seriously thinking?

Are we looking at the consequences of a two-front war in the Middle East: Ariel Sharon smashing Palestinian resistance, America smashing through the gates of Baghdad? Has anyone imagined what those dueling TV pictures will do to the Arab "street" or to the governments in Cairo, Amman, Tripoli and Damascus that must rule those streets?

The only winners in such a scenario are those who dream of a final, all-out conflict between East and West. If Osama bin Laden is still alive, this is his dream. He wants to see the entire Islamic world engaged in a death struggle with the "crusaders." What a perfect recipe for igniting the revolution he has long sought against the Saudi royal family, Egypt's Hosni Mubarak and Jordan's King Abdullah!

There would be other winners here at home: those neo-conservative hawks who have been beating the drums for war. For months, the op-ed pages of this country's major newspapers have been filled daily with their relentless rants for "Phase Two" or "Regime Change" in Iraq -- or Iran or Syria or Libya or Saudi Arabia or Cairo.

Unable to say a single good word about an Arab country, certainly nothing in print, the hawks also got Bush to include North Korea in his global hit list.

This is meant to suggest, I can only assume, that they are not driven entirely by anti-Arab hostility. They also hate some countries in Asia, including China, countries we should get around to fighting once we have overrun and occupied all of the Middle East. If you don't think it's this bad, you haven't been reading the papers.

sfgate.com



To: JohnM who wrote (25217)4/15/2002 4:48:37 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Here is a column from the Ayn Rand Institute to chew on, John. All I ask is that you don't do an "ad Hominem" on it.

Released: April 10, 2002

The Palestinian Choice

There will be no peace in the Middle East unless freedom becomes the Palestinians' guiding philosophy

By Edwin A. Locke

The toll of violence in the Middle East is a tragedy. The whole world, including President Bush, is pressuring Israel once again to negotiate with Yasser Arafat as a means of ending the conflict. This is a hopeless quest. Negotiation pre-supposes that both parties share common moral values and compatible goals. But the two sides are not morally equivalent. Arafat is a ruthless dictator who has had hundreds of his own people tortured or killed. He is and always has been a terrorist; he has never sought peaceful co-existence with Israel but only its destruction. New evidence indicates that he provided money for the suicide bombers' missions and no doubt will continue to do so.
The Palestinians are the initiators of the violence,an indiscriminate violence in which they do not care whom they kill, whether soldier or child. Israel, in contrast, is acting in self-defense, in retaliation for such terrorism. And its response is aimed at those responsible for the violence and at the facilities from which they operate. (Any innocent noncombatants killed in the process are not the targets of the retaliation, and their blood is on the terrorists' hands.)
The Palestinians are not seeking to gain their freedom,they are unequivocal enemies of freedom. They, along with the rest of the Arab world, reject the whole concept of rights. Every Arab country is a monarchy, theocracy or some kind of dictatorship. Freedom of speech, property rights, free elections, and the separation of church and state are almost nonexistent. Speaking out against the rulers or against the Muslim religion leads to imprisonment or death. All attempts to start competing political parties are ruthlessly crushed.
Israel is the sole country in the Middle East that recognizes individual rights. It is the only Mid East country in which people are free to voice their opinions. The nonviolent, non-PLO-supporting Arab who lives in Israel enjoys far greater freedom than he would in any Arab nation. It is an utter perversion for the collectivized, tribalist Palestinians to claim that they are acting in defense of rights, when their aim is to obliterate rights-the rights of Israelis as well as of Arabs.
The fundamental goal of the Palestinian leadership is destruction. They want their terrorist attacks to lead to retaliation, so that more of their people will become terrorists, so that more killing takes place, and so on, in an endless cycle of violence, resulting in . . . death,death to as many people as possible. For example, the response of a father to the suicide-bombing act of his 23-year-old son, which killed three Israelis and injured 93 in downtown Netanyah, was: "I call upon all Palestinian youth to follow in his footsteps."
Why such seething nihilism? Consider that when the Jews came to Palestine, it was a desert. People were living in the same primitive manner as they had been since the time of Moses. The Jews brought Western knowledge and Western values to the Middle East. They turned an almost barren land into a modern, industrial civilization. They raised cities where there had been only dirt; they developed irrigated farms where there had been only dry sand; they built cars and trucks and planes where there had been mainly pack animals. They produced wealth where there had been only poverty. They brought freedom and individual rights to a land where these ideas were unknown.
And many of the Arabs hated Israel for doing so, because it was an achievement they could not, and did not want to, equal. That is why they have always wanted to destroy Israel. That is why the Palestinians continue today in that quest.
When a person sees that a different culture can produce a much better life,greater knowledge, greater mastery over nature, greater comfort and security, greater respect for the individual,than his own, he has two choices. He can adopt the new culture as a blessing, or he can seek to destroy it,and himself-because it stands as a reproach to his irrational form of existence.
The Palestinians have chosen the latter. They are guilty of what Ayn Rand called "hatred of the good for being the good." They hate the Israelis not because of their vices, but because of their virtues, their ability to better their lives by embracing reason, science, technology and individual rights. Israel (despite its own, growing crop of religious mystics) represents the triumph of secularism and freedom in the Middle East. Israel stands for the principle of . . . life.
The only way this conflict can be resolved, short of all-out war, is for a radical change in philosophy on the part of the Palestinians, starting with the choice of a new leader who wants Palestine to have a future. They need to choose individual rights and a free society as their core political principle. If they don't, they will tragically get their death wish, and will bring about only further destruction.
Until and unless that change occurs, our Mid East analysts and policy makers should not ignore the morally antithetical premises governing the two sides of this conflict. And that Israel is the morally right side that must be free to wage a just war of self-defense.
aynrand.org