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To: stockman_scott who wrote (25241)	4/15/2002 1:25:06 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

In Jenin, you had a) the Israelis tunneling in through houses, b) the Israelis clearing a path for their armored vehicles, c) the terrorist militias booby-trapping and exploding houses (and themselves) in the Israelis' path, d) a prolonged (over 24 hours) firefight in the center of an urban area. I'm sure there are quite a few dead from all this, and the Palestinians will scream massacre; they have screamed massacre over and over for much smaller losses, and even in cases where all the dead were clearly combatants. But I think one of Israel's intentions, one that Buckley does not credit, is to unteach the lesson of Lebanon, which was (in the Palestinians' minds) that the Israelis were helpless before suicide bombers, they were soft, didn't have the guts to go mano-a-mano, and were so sensitive to world outrage that Palestinians could get by screaming massacre. Jenin is suicide bomber central, and the Israelis decided to deliver the message that suicide bombing has a price tag. Also, while I wholly agree with Buckley's recommendations that Sharon should have just shot Arafat, he had promised Bush not to. I personally doubt that Sharon wants to withdraw from the West Bank in the near future -- for Israel, having the West Bank armed and actively hostile is like holding a live grenade to your stomach. Reoccupaton will be painful, but Arafat has left them little choice. The big difference between Israel and all the Vietnam-Algeria arguments is that Israel has no other 'home' to go to. They are home, with their backs to the sea. They don't intend to start swimming.

To: stockman_scott who wrote (25241)	4/15/2002 1:43:51 AM
From: bacchus_ii	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

RE:"Now, we have seen what's happened in Jenin, Ramallah and other cities -- lots of unintended consequences...." I have seen the last part of Larry King 90 min, ago. At one point I was almost vomiting when I heard PINKAS, the Israeli consul general in New York... KING: A state of siege. Ambassador Pinkas, Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser, said that humanitarian workers have to be allowed into the Jenin refugee camp. There's been back and forth over what happened there and what started it. Are you going to let them in? PINKAS: Absolutely. What's been stopping them from getting in until now is the fact that the Palestinians booby-trapped many buildings, including buildings incidentally in which families, whole families, entire families were still in rooms. They have booby-trapped the entrances to allies. They have booby- trapped garbage cans. They have booby-trapped an ambulance. So it's going to take -- it took us time before we could clear those buildings and those access roads, in order to allow for the humanitarian aid to pass. KING: When will this happen? PINKAS: I think that it already began, and I think that it will be increased in the upcoming days and weeks. cnn.com