<All I am saying here is for once let us see things from both sides....... In 1982 Israel was responsible for killing 27,000 innocent Lebanese people, that number is excluding the hundreds of children, women and elderly people killed in Sabra and Shatila Camps. With the entire killing that Israel did and doing is with US support.>
You are right about lets see things from both sides!!!
Your figures are highly unauthentic and exaggerated. Notwithstanding that I will like to highlight that an Israeli commission, formed by the Israeli Government to investigate the Sabra and Chattila massacres, reached the conclusion that Sharon bore "personal responsibility ... www.ptimes.com/issue89/articles.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages
The media and US did condemned that killing contrary to your suggestion..
< (according to sources quoted by the Library of Congress). We accused him of inciting, aiding and abetting the massacre of "well over a thousand people" in Sabra and Shatilla (according to the most conservative estimates quoted by Robert Fisk in Pity the Nation, Lebanon at War, Oxford University Press, 1990).>
Now few thousands killed in Beirut compose a dark era in Israeli political history and I have no doubts that many instances of high handedness can be traced in their polity and strategy, however the options for them are limited considering the geographical envelopment they suffer. I am impressed with their internal controls and Arab members of Knesset representing the Israeli Palestinians who speak fluent Hebrew too like Marwan Barghouti does. How many Arab regimes have accepted dissent and tolerance of minorities as integral part of their ruling structures.
But lets look around in the Middle East and observe at the comparisons from old history to contemporary history on way autocrats have destroyed their own populace without any question or condemnation from Islamic world. That silence is shocking and principal double standards, human life of thousands of Palestinians killed by Jordanians during Black September uprising against King Hussein is one such saga where Palestinian joined hands with the Syrian to overthrow Hussien. The late King Hussein of Jordan wanted Israel to bomb Syrian forces during the Black September crisis of 1970, according to British Government documents. The king feared that the Middle East would slide into all-out war if Jordan fell into the hands of Syrian-backed Palestinian guerrillas. The British Government, led by then Prime Minister Edward Heath, doubted whether there were "any advantages to be derived from prolonging, possibly only for a short time, the increasingly precarious regime of King Hussein" - effectively conceding that it needed to keep its options open should the Palestinians take control.
Palestinian guerrillas have tradition of biting the hands those feed them, originally allowed into Jordan by King Hussein, were already taking over areas of the country and there were fears that radicals could force the toppling of the king. Hussein decided to fight back against the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, led by a faction headed by the emerging Yasser Arafat. Prior to the hijackings, King Hussein of Jordan had been mostly sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and had allowed over fifty terrorist groups into his country. Tensions had been mounting however, since Palestinian attacks on Jewish targets had increased Jordan's vulnerability to retaliatory strikes from Israel. The tension increased in February 1970 when Jordanian troops, attempting to enforce a royal decree that ordered the Palestinians to surrender their guns and explosives, clashed with the "freedom fighters" in a street brawl that lasted three days. The decree was later abandoned.
Incensed that the Popular Front would have the audacity the carry out such an act on Jordanian soil without his consent, Hussein decreed marshal law and raised his Bedu army to drive the Palestinians out of Jordan, 3500 soldiers were killed in this infighting where Arafat wanted to overthrow Jordan king. The resulting conflict was dubbed "Black September" and was to become famous terrorists Carlos's first taste of real warfare. The pattern of disloyalty continues until Iraqi invasion of Kuwait where Arafat joined hands with Saddam to get on Saddam’s right side. The streak of wrong political manoeuvres can also be noted in his political behaviour. No one ever condemned Arafat for all these bloodsheds of Muslims and catalyst or main planner of Arab internecine fighting. Is all this fault of Israel and US?
Will you now join me in condemning the atrocities of Sudanese strong man? When was the last time any Muslim commission fixed the responsibility of Sudan’s atrocities against her own populace. The Sudanese Christians are not in charge of bomb making human factories in Khartoum neither they are killing innocents in Khartoum they are being massacred by the Sudanese Junta for being Christian in the South..
<The Sudanese government, which displaced a democratically elected
government in 1989, has engaged in a policy to divide and destroy the
people of the predominately Christian and animist south. It uses terror
against civilians as a weapon of choice and pits different ethnic groups against each other, resulting in southern factional fighting that has complicated the overall situation. The scale of death and destruction has
reached staggering proportions.
Credible estimates from human rights organizations suggest that 2 million people have perished, 4 million have been internally displaced, and nearly 400,000 have been forced to live in neighbouring countries as refugees.
Many of the displaced live without adequate food and shelter and in constant fear of government assaults. >
Will you join me in unequivocal terms the condemnation of Syrian Asad.For crime against humanity as follows…The Hama people were not producing human bombs killing children’s and innocents in Damascus what Jenin and Barghouti guys are doing! These guys in Hama the real Islamite’s were gassed for expressing opinion and dissent to Asad’s clannish rule.
<For the last 32 years, the brave and resilient people of Lebanon have been under the hegemony of the worst totalitarian and anachronistic regimes in the Middle East. The hegemonic regime of the Assad’s has left a bloody and long tradition: the massacre of over 30,000 citizens in the city of Hama in 1982 simply so Assad could remain the only ruler in Syria. Such regime proceeded to and continues to destroy Lebanon. The Assad regime has killed over 200,000 Lebanese, and forced the emigration of 1.5 million. All this in an attempt by Syria to fulfil its megalomanical, and hegemonic dream; of swallowing Lebanon; annexing it as a part of Syria. Besides killing its national leaders, attempting to eradicate every shred of the unique kaleidoscope that is Lebanese culture: cosmopolitan education, a unique history and pluralism: the freedom of all religions, and all sects as what happened at the University of Lebanon, the American University and many other institutions, the list is long.>
Will also like to join me in condemning Turkey massacre of Kurds…
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<In 1995, Turkey waged a military campaign against PKK base camps in northern Iraq, and in 1999 it captured the guerrillas’ leader, Abdullah Ocalan, who was subsequently condemned to death. Some 23,000–30,000 people are thought to have died in the 15-year war. The legal People’s Democracy party is now the principal civilian voice of Kurdish nationalism in Turkey. The PKK announced in Feb., 2000, that they would end their attacks, but the arrest the same month of the Kurdish mayors of Diyarbakir and other towns on charges of aiding the rebels threatened to revive the unrest. There were also clashes in the 1990s between the Kurds of Turkey and Iraq.>
Turkish genocide of Armenians in 1915 needs a reference too..
< WHOLE PLAIN STREWN BY ARMENIAN BODIES - Turks and Kurds Reported to Have Massacred Men, Women and Children.
LONDON, March 19.-Appalling accounts of conditions in Armenia have reached the officials in London of the Armenian Red Cross Fund and have been given out by them.
The latest recital is from an Armenian doctor named Derderian, who says that the whole plain of Alashgerd is virtually covered with the bodies of men, women and children.
When the Russian forces retreated from this district the Kurds fell upon the helpless people and shut them up in mosques. The men were killed and the women were carried away to the mountains. >
The organizers of the Red Cross Fund say there are 120,000 destitute Armenians now in the Caucasus. >
I will urge you to join me condemning the Iraqi Anfal campaign against their own citizens where thousand were murdered? Not a single voice has been ever raised within the entire Islamic world for these callous barbaric acts against their own people by Saddam, rather he is portrayed as a victim!! Will Al-Jazeera notice that and make a documentary on rape of the Muslims populations by its own people who are not engaged in a battle of bombs and responsible for killings of hundreds of their opponents.
<In 1974 the Iraqi government sought to impose its plan for limited autonomy in Kurdistan. The Kurds rejected it, and heavy fighting erupted. After the establishment of the Islamic Republic in Iran (1979), the government there launched a murderous campaign against its Kurdish inhabitants as well as a program to assassinate Kurdish leaders. Iraqi attacks on the Kurds continued throughout the Iran-Iraq War (1980–88), culminating (1988) in poison gas attacks on Kurdish villages to quash resistance and in the rounding up and execution of male Kurds, all of which resulted in the killing of some 200,000 in that year alone.
Among the most horrific features of the Iraqi campaigns against the Kurds in the 1980s was the regime's resort to chemical weapons strikes against civilian populations. On April 16, 1987, a chemical raid on the Balisan valley killed dozens of civilians; in its wake, "some seventy men were taken away in buses and, like the Barzanis, never seen again. The surviving women and children were dumped on the plain outside Erbil and left to fend for themselves." (Jonathan C. Randal, After Such Knowledge, What Forgiveness?, p. 230.) Less than a year later, on March 16, 1988, a far more concentrated chemical attack was launched on the town of Halabji, near the Iranian border, which had briefly been held by a combined force of Kurdish rebels and Iranian troops. Thousands of civilians died, and with the town still under Iranian occupation after the raid, journalists and photographers were able to reach the scene. "Their photographs, mainly of women, children, and elderly people huddled inertly in the streets or lying on their backs with mouths agape, circulated widely, demonstrating eloquently that the great mass of the dead had been Kurdish civilian noncombatants." (Iraq's Crime of Genocide, p. 72.) Although it took place during the Anfal campaign, however, the attack on Halabji is not normally considered part of that campaign.
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In the end will you join me in a vote of thank to US and its citizens for saving Bosnian Muslims from total annihilation. I will go back to my 1998 post and request you to re read this passage.
< Let me tell you had it not been for US not a single Bosnian Muslim would have escaped ethnic cleansing, Russian orthodoxy and its link with SERBS WOULD HAVE MADE SURE THAT THIS HISTORICAL mistake in Balkans of pockets of Muslim be eliminated once for all, the man who provided water to seiged town of Sarajevo during those eventful days was a Jew- George Sorros-- Please set your record straight and stop abusing US for every thing wrong which happens in the Islamic world- it is the lack of democracy and totalitarianism which is responsible for our poor state of affairs lets own it for a change and stop abusing others for serious problems we have in our society.>
Let me take you back with a fast backward to our early history, in war of religions extreme things happen if any sides fail to accept non-violence after a tough struggle as their way out, that particular sides fail eventually. In war spoils are part of the booty, that is the tradition, why should it be any different now if Palestinian continually want to tkae guns instad of siittng on tables!!
Please note that after the death of the Prophet (PBUH), the 1st caliph Abu Bakr organised the invasion of Syria. During the campaign of 634, the entire region between Gaza and Caesarea was devastated; four thousand peasants, Christians, Jews, and Samaritans who were simply defending their land, were massacred. During the campaigns in Mesopotamia, between 635 and 642, monasteries were sacked, the monks were killed, Monophysite Arabs executed or forced to convert; in Elam the population was put to the sword, at Susa all the dignitaries suffered the same fate. We are better informed of the conquest of Egypt by Amr b. al-As thanks to the Chronicle of John, Bishop of Nikiu, written between 693 and 700. For John, the Muslim yoke was "heavier than the yoke which had been laid on Israel by Pharaoh." As Amr advanced into Egypt, he captured the town of Behnesa, near the Fayum, and exterminated the inhabitants: "whoever gave himself up to them [the Muslims] was massacred, they spared neither the old, nor the women or children." Fayum and Aboit suffered the same fate .At Nikiu, the entire population was put to the sword. The Arabs took the inhabitants of Cilicia into captivity. In Armenia, the entire population of Euchaita was wiped out Seventh century Armenian chronicles recount how the Arabs decimated the populations of Assyria and forced a number of inhabitants to accept Islam, and then wrought havoc in the district of Daron, S.W.of Lake Van. In 642, it was the turn of the town of Dvin to suffer. In 643, the Arabs came back, bringing "extermination, ruin, and slavery." Michael the Syrian tells us how Mu'awiya sacked and pillaged Cyprus, and then established his domination by a "great massacre." It was the same ghastly spectacle in North Africa: Tripoli was pillaged in 643; Carthage was razed to the ground and most of its inhabitants killed. Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Syria, Iraq and Iran presented a similar spectacle.
Dear Abdul Samadi, I want to request you to treat this as a research and educate me if I am wrong, I am not an apostate and I hope that you will bless me with little answers, my Idea thread is notorious for silence and I do feel sometime that I should stop all these research based fact articles but I want to learn and explain to my children the two sides of story and making of an argument, please do let me know where I am wrong? Don't worry aobut lack of posts, this quite corner is a great place for interaction of serious thought. |
