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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sojourner Smith who wrote (2683)	4/15/2002 11:26:48 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 32591

Well said. (eom)

To: Sojourner Smith who wrote (2683)	4/15/2002 11:30:59 PM
From: Sojourner Smith	Respond to of 32591

There is no question Israel was able to reduce the number of extremists in the recent campaign. If the PA wanted a state next to Israel, they would THANK Israel for helping to eliminate the extremists. The reason could be the PA is afraid of the extremists or they support the extremists. For awhile I believed Arafat's speech about the "treaty of brave." If he was so brave he would stand up to the extremists.

To: Sojourner Smith who wrote (2683)	4/16/2002 2:17:11 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 32591

Humiliation sows hatred Tuesday, April 16, 2002 Iyyar 4, 5762 Israel Time: 09:02 (GMT+3) HA'ARETZ Editorial Just before the arrival of American envoy Anthony Zinni, and in the wake of severe terrorist attacks that took many lives, the IDF is completing wide-scale operations in the refugee camps and cities of the West Bank and Gaza. On Monday, forces raided Ramallah and the Jabalya refugee camp in Gaza. A day earlier, they took over Qalqiliyah and the Deheisheh refugee camp, as well as conducting operations in Tul Karm, Nablus and Jenin. Some 160 Palestinians have been killed, many under disputed circumstances. During the course of the raids, the men of the camps were gathered, blindfolded, and their hands tied, and they were identified and interrogated before being released. Some 2,000 men were questioned, and only a few remained under arrest as suspects as belonging to terrorist groups. This was the largest Israeli military operation since the start of the hostilities in September 2000. It produced some results at the tactical level - exposing arms caches and workshops where rockets and mortars were produced, as well as enriching the intelligence in the hands of the IDF and Shin Bet - but apparently, its main purpose was to make clear to the Palestinians that the refugee amps won't be off limits in the effort to strike at the terrorist infrastructure. It is impossible to ignore the nature of the operation, which was a significant departure from the declared policy until now, in which a distinction was made between those who deal in terror, who must be vanquished, and the wider population, whom Israel did not want to engage in conflict. This time, the IDF caused deliberate suffering and humiliation to the broader Palestinian population. This cannot be interpreted any other way: The government of Israel, through the IDF, sought to use humiliation as a means of pressure or punishment. There is no other way to understand those photographed scenes of hundreds of people, bound and blindfolded, on their way to interrogations. Chief of Staff Shaul Mofaz was very tardy with his reservations about marking the prisoners with writing on their arms. Brig. Gen. Gershon Yitzhak, commander of IDF forces in the West Bank, said yesterday that the blindfolds and cuffing of the prisoners, was insensitive. The belated reservations from the high command about the operation raise questions. Didn't the commanders instruct the soldiers in advance how to deal with the civilians? It is worrisome to discover that the chief of staff and the commander of the forces were unaware from the start of the profound significance of wide-scale friction with the population. The idea of humiliation has apparently seeped down to the soldiers from the government. Ariel Sharon wanted to humiliate the chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Yasser Arafat, by jailing him in Ramallah. His aide, Uri Shani, said as much on Monday when he said of Arafat, "he can only go from one cage to another." No wonder, then, that officers and soldiers act in the spirit of the supreme commander and his aides. Actions that harm the population and involve humiliation of civilians sabotage the chances - in any case, minimal - of reaching a cease-fire, and eventually an agreement and reconciliation. With the arrival of the American envoy, the government must behave with restraint and balanced judgment. Instead of fanning the flames and sowing hatred, it must increase its efforts to achieve calm and a return to the political track. haaretzdaily.com

To: Sojourner Smith who wrote (2683)	4/16/2002 8:57:33 AM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 32591

Behind the Rage Some 1,600 Palestinians have been killed since the latest round of violence erupted in the fall of 2000. In contrast, two million Sudanese have died in the ongoing civil war here, with barely anyone noticing. Likewise, Syria blithely killed about 20,000 people in crushing an abortive uprising in the city of Hama in 1982. And Saddam Hussein, who has killed more Arabs than Ariel Sharon and all his Israeli predecessors put together, is somehow a hero for much of the Arab world. What's going on here? After lots of soul-searching conversations with Arabs, I'm inclined toward a couple of conclusions: First, there is a double standard; the Arab world is outraged in large part because it is Israel that is killing Arabs this time. Second, despite the double standard, the outrage is still sincere and deeply threatening to pro-American Arab governments; there is a tendency among Israel's supporters to assume that the rage must be feigned, but that's a fantasy. In fairness, this kind of double standard is common around the globe. White-ruled South Africa provoked anger throughout the world, while worse abuses in Zaire, Zimbabwe and Nigeria were ignored. And many Chinese still despise all Japanese, even though Mao slaughtered far more Chinese than Japanese militarists ever managed to. nytimes.com

To: Sojourner Smith who wrote (2683)	4/16/2002 11:51:34 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 32591

"This to to me shows the weakness of the Arab position. First they offer no solution to break the cycle." And this proves that you are a liar! The Saudi peace plan fully recognizes Israel (all members of the Arab League supported the Saudi Plan), normalizes relations with Israel, and proposes a unified peace plan IF Israel abides by the UN Resolutions that demand that it withdraw from occupied territories and recognizes the world and US demand for a viable Palestinian state. Saudi Arabia and the Arab League endorsed this plan, but Israel rejects it! This is a concrete generous solution to the Palestinians/Israeli conflict and it was offered by the ARABS. Why does Israel reject this plan? Because the fanatic Zionist regime demands ALL OF PALESTINE to create its GREATER ISRAEL as envisioned by the Zionist fathers. Israel has been playing a game of deception and terrorism for some 50 years and the Jewish-American media has allowed them to get away with it. Israel is determined to ethnically cleanse Palestinian from the West Bank and Gaza until their is only a small minority of Palestinians left and Israel can continue its racial/religous status as a JEWISH nation.