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To: SARMAN who wrote (42414)	4/16/2002 12:36:49 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 50167

Thanks for your very kind remark, I think both of us have made the point very clear, lets move on, the problem with me is that it is not that I hate my own country I see no reason to love mine only, I try to reason why I am in the mess and others are not. If I am at fault I accept it, I apologise I say sorry and if things go out of hand I move homes, like I did. I think your suggestion of gas chambers was well taken by kinds of Saddam, Asad in Halaba and Hama, when I tell you much as you condemn Israel, join me to condemn these corrupt people with so much blood of Muslims on hand you call me enemy of Muslims. Now I am in a real mess, Jews don't like me because I am from Pakistan, Indians hate me for I try to promote good points of my country and stick with my nation and you don't like me because I am not going to support your policies of self destruction blindfolded. It is a difficult life. Tanks running in the houses where human bombs are hidden is bad TV so is Jewish kids being blown by 16 year old human bombs, when an Israeli kill we talk of oil embargo and Arab boycott, when we kill 30,000 of our own Kurdish people by Gas we call it disciplined governance of Saddam. Not a word is uttered, when Arafat puts a dagger in the back of the Hussein, the last of few 'Syeds' ( the descendents of prophet) Syria sends in 250 tanks to crush Jordan, thousands are maimed and killed, but you can do amongst your own clans what you want with no talk of human rights when it comes to anyone else defending their ideas it is difficult digestion. Thanks for your reply. The moment I will be liked by everyone my analysis will die.

To: SARMAN who wrote (42414)	4/16/2002 1:07:12 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Respond to of 50167

<Will this solution satisfy your hatred towards the Palestinians, Arabs and Moslems? > Listen Abdul, I am Pakistani, proud to be one and I am of Indian orgin, like you guys talk of Arab unity I dream of day where we poor people will see beyond this yoke 'Arab ideology' imposed on us and find hopefully we will find our roots are in the sub-continent as people where we can find our nirvana. We are of Indian origin with ideology imported from Arab land, have nothing to do with your Palestinian and Arab causes, we are not going to fight in name of Islam for Palestinian cause, that era is over since 11th Sept, wake up time for pan Arabism is one thing that overlooks lesser races, if Palestinians want respect you don't loose wars one after the other and you don't spend money on Palaces or casinos, you build self respect, you negotiate, you cave in and build a consensus and you listen, and you do build ultimate deterrence so that no one can caste an evil eye on you. In all cases, I look deep in myself and think of my faults and build my strength, and I don't see the whole world against me I try to find what I am doing wrong. A nation who sees herself as infallible is nation that gets extinct, we were as Pakistan on 11th of Sept at that juncture, our pragmatism saved us, your Arab Osama responsible for annihilation of 2 million Afghans due to hunger and malnutrition and Taleban did not put a single hospital in Kabul or schools other than 'Global Institute of terror training.' It is these kind of actions that have destroyed you guys, and it is disloyalty of Arafat that have left him with no friends in the civilised world. <And if you tell me you have no hatred towards anyone, then I would tell you drop the BS and start promoting love and peace and show people that they can live together with tolerance and without hate. What you are doing is pointing fingers. I am guilty of that too. And you know what? Imposing your ideas and views on others is like shoving religion down somebody's throat, unacceptable and repulsive. On the other hand sharing your ideas and views (like you have been doing on this thread since inception except) is greatly appreciated and welcomed as long that anybody can share their views and ideas.> First of all I am one of the few writers who rarely go outside my thread or post outside my little world, so the accusation that I impose my ideas is little unfair! If people don't share my views I have rarely ever solicited them to come here, look at this thread it goes dead when I am not around, few friends of mine keep a tab of things and once I am around we talk and exchange few realities of life, some hard talks, since very inception as you know I have always been found of US the land where you live and I don't if this BS, I think I can't do better than that.. I think of this model as good and they are better imperialists than the world has ever seen.. Thursday, Nov 15, 2001 12:00 PM View Replies (4) \| Respond to of 42417 You should be proud to be an AMERICAN. If I were I would be. The guy is dead, from Tabasco to KFC to Windows, US rules the world, and this for many is an indigestible phenomenon. Look around you, even in Kabul you would find Pepsi and Coke hoardings. You have a Raj without Queen Victoria or King George 5, naturally protecting interests would mean duties beyond the normal call. A young American would have to be taught of this global reach, that I see missing unfortunately. The inability to stand to a challenge leads to more serious issues. US may have to live to stand with new challenges. This is overstretch that England could not sustain in their heydays of empire of Raj you may call it. US achieved it overnight without sending any marines across. Much as I would be a proud American I would also be a very conscious American knowing the obligations that goes with this kind global stretch. You are not fully aware of the kind of obligations you have towards the globe, for simple reason by design (I don't think so) or by destiny ( I think so ) your model is the model that world loves to follow and hate. From France to Afghanistan people love and hate America with equal intensity. Envy plays a major role in all of that. Sitting on a high pedestal I enjoy it to the hilt, I see it everywhere. This is what is known as imperial overstretch most of them American are not aware of it, rather the US government always want to withdraw from responsibility talks about insular instincts inadvertently, but unfortunate it may sound for many, the responsibility of the globe lies today on shoulder of a continent what we all know as North America. The inventiveness of Us has led that obligation on your very weak shoulders, I can understand your concerns that why should Kabul or Cairo stability be your concern but US corporatist are the economic future of the world, take them out, we have junk out their, when you have this kind of global responsibly, the blood of US soldiers and will of US soldiers to protect their global interest is their concern. I also understand the unwillingness of US public that what the heck is this responsibility but much as I have always said that corporate structures of US have no known boundaries, they are truly global so is the responsibility of US. I have to run it is my Enterprise time .. Captian Picard is on..

To: SARMAN who wrote (42414)	4/16/2002 1:21:30 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Respond to of 50167

<On the other hand sharing your ideas and views (like you have been doing on this thread since inception except) is greatly appreciated and welcomed > Dear Abdul, I hope you will like this I have not lost the touch with all this politics..today is Tuesday and look at the levels.. Thursday, Apr 11, 2002 6:11 PM View Replies (2) \| Respond to of 42417 I see a move between 1089-1118 tomorrow..I think we will see both hit..IBM SEC investigations and GE power section cuts had more to do with the sell off today. I don't see a straight move to 1050 rather a move between 1092 and 1128 for next few sessions until Tuesday..Chavez is another problem that may in short term spike oil prices, however by Saturday as Powel would see Arafat and most dangerous wanted men are mostly rounded I think Israel may withdraw.That may help ease some worries on oil and price hikes, I will watch the debt spreads very carefully between corporate secondary debt and ten year..