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To: Thomas M. who wrote (1487)	4/16/2002 2:32:24 PM
From: Paul Kern	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

Barak made no offer, and accepted no offer. I'm sure that you can find a quote for anything but Dennis Ross, who was there, has repeatedly said that Arafat rejected an offer of about 95 per cent of the land and five per cent of land on the other side of the green line for compensation plus control over the arab areas of East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. Last time I heard it from his mouth was on Charlie Rose. Arafat, he has repeatedly said, never came back with a counter offer -- not at CD II or Taba. That's from a man who was there trying to negotiate with the Pal Authority.. Who do you work for? Who pays you to spread the same lies over and over?

To: Thomas M. who wrote (1487)	4/16/2002 2:54:57 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

<< Barak made no offer, and accepted no offer. >> Why does the Arab side always have to use lies, and hate, to defend their behavior? In Saudi Arabian schoolbooks, children are taught, daily, to hate Christians and Jews. The Arabs are also always criticizing Israel of committing atrocities, where no atrocity happened. In the meantime, the Arabs have committed, and are committing vile atrocities, even to their own people. But.... getting back to the offer of peace. The Palestinian leaders know that if they would put down their arms and offer the Israelis a sincere offer of friendship and peace, they would have a Palestinian state very quickly, with billions in aid, and help in building their economy. The Palestinian leaders know that they could have peace and prosperity tomorrow. So....... why don't they seek peace, instead of terrorism, misery and war for the Palestinian people?

To: Thomas M. who wrote (1487)	4/16/2002 3:18:32 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

Black September Anyone remember Black September, which occurred in 1970? That was when Jordan had enough of Arafat's Palestinians, who had been trying to take over Jordan. King Hussein, of Jordan, drove Arafat and his henchmen out of Jordan. cnn.com It was good for Jordan, but it was terrible for Lebanon, which was one of the most advanced and thriving Arab countries. The Arab people in Lebanon had a good standard of living. The other Arab nations condemned Jordan for driving the Palestinian terrorists out of Jordan, and punished Jordan for years. That was in 1970. The ruthless, hate-driven, oil-rich Arab dictatorships still haven't changed much. The only change is that there are now a lot more Arabs in America.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (1487)	4/16/2002 3:35:21 PM
From: Machaon	Respond to of 6945

Israel celebrates its 54th anniversary "Israel kicked off its Independence Day celebrations with a jubilant ceremony Tuesday night." <=================================================> jpost.com Tom, I sure hope that you enjoyed the celebrations and wished Israel 54 more years. If you did, I hope that you wished Israel 54 years of peace, years where the children of Israel can live and grow in peace, and without fear of being blown up by an Arab homicide bomber.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (1487)	4/16/2002 8:48:01 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6945

You're just spouting propaganda. foxnews.com ROSS: Let's look at the terms. Let me spell out exactly what it was. It was something that we offered, by the way. There's a kind of imagery out there that Barak made an offer. It was a U.S. offer. HUME: Barak accepted it? ROSS: Barak was willing to accept it. .... When it came to security, there would have been an international process in the Jordan Valley. Now, I will tell you that Palestinian negotiators clearly thought this was acceptable. It was unacceptable to only one man — Yasser Arafat. ..... HUME: Now, they also say that the offer would have divided Palestinian territory into four separate cantons and entirely surrounded and therefore controlled by Israel. ROSS: Untrue, completely untrue. There were going to get a net 97 percent of the territory. In the West Bank, it would have been 95 percent of the West Bank. There was going to be a swap that would have added onto the size of Gaza. They were going to have their own border with Jordan. There was not going to be an Israeli presence there. There were not going to be cantons. There were not going to be divisions. They were getting contiguous territory in the West Bank. When they say that, they're referring to a map the Israelis showed to them first in May, and a map the Israelis presented at Camp David in July. That was not what the United States presented in December. HUME: Which Barak accepted? ROSS: Which Barak accepted. HUME: So this idea that there was a nine-to-one land swap in Israel's favor is bogus? ROSS: That's bogus. That is what Camp David was. It's not what the Clinton ideas were. When you hear this, this is part of the mythology. They have never yet to this day honestly presented to their own public what it is that was presented because when you hear it as we just described it, you say it looks like a pretty good deal. I know this isn't what you want the truth to be so you will slander Ross. You will be lying. He was Clinton's chief mideast negotiator - clearly as knowledgeable as anyone. And clearly a professional and reliable source. cnn.com Before joining the Bush administration in 1991 as a senior adviser to then-Secretary of State George Baker, Ross was the chief foreign policy adviser to George Bush's campaign in 1988. He has served in various Pentagon and National Security Council posts under Presidents Carter and Reagan.