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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (18258)	4/17/2002 11:50:26 AM
From: jim black	Respond to of 74559

OT answer to Maurice: Good Day to ya, Maurice. I refer you to his original paper in German. I suggest a search on google under Kurt Godel (o with umlaut, my PC won't print it). Actually I don't quite think you follow the argument but here it is in a nutshell: all things known or unknown, expressable in English (or any language translatable into English,which includes kanji that is in words describable in its form in English) will appear ultimately on the typewriter's data list. It is a mathematician's sort of thing, a finite collection of finite sets. As far as your doubts about the craziness and schizophrenogenic nature of the quantum world I refer you to the experiments of Alain Aspect who indeed poses a puzzle about instantaneous communication of particles, i.e., faster than light. Facinating stuff for a tired old physician and younger day mathematician. The details I leave to you. Einstein was never comfortable with quantum physics implications either. Cheers Jim

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (18258)	4/18/2002 10:22:19 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<English as it exists right now is finite, but English is infinite in that anything which we can perceive, directly or indirectly or via imagination can have a neologism ascribed to it and there is no limit to the number of neologisms we can create [though we would need to also extend the alphabet some more]. English is merely a hopelessly inadequate way of representing reality as perceived by somebody and with that perception being shared by somebody else so that they can match the words with the reality described, using symbols to identify the selected reality. Mathematics is just another kind of symbolic representation of reality.>> Many ideas, concepts [if you can call them that!] things transcend the spoken word.... that's life. <<By saying that English is finite is another way of saying that reality is finite. Since we all exist with a probability of 1, it's quite reasonable to say that reality is very finite and in fact is in a single state. By probability of 1, I mean that if we go back up through our ancestors, over millions and billions of years, not a single one of our ancestors died before we were conceived. What is the probability of every single ancestor not dying before they became our progenitor? It is infinitely improbable given the number of things which could have gone wrong for any one of them. But it happened, for every single living thing alive right now. At the beginning, one would say that the probability of the situation of everything existing as it is right now would be infinitely unlikely, or, 0.000000000000000...75 times....00001. BUT, here you are, right here, right now, reading these pixels. You lucky, lucky, lucky, ... 75..., lucky, probability = 1 man! >> Oh, you prove it yourself!! And you offer interesting evidence that your statement here is 100% positively wrong [Oh, wait, that may not be possible! LOL]: <<I don't buy all that quantum bunk, with all states existing until brought into reality by an observer, as though anything could be and it's all a matter of luck. I reckon there are no dice [or die for the pedants].>> Ho ho ho DAK