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To: John Soileau who wrote (84522)	4/18/2002 12:23:13 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116815

US suffers severe diplomatic setback in Mideast — Analysts By Patrick Anidjar Agence France-Presse jordantimes.com (This was found with the help of thepaperboy.com) WASHINGTON — The administration of President George W. Bush suffered a severe diplomatic setback in the Middle East, after being unable to convince Israel to withdraw its troops from Palestinian territories or to persuade the Palestinians to agree to a ceasefire, analysts said Wednesday. With his announcement April 4 that he would send Secretary of State Colin Powell to the region, Bush urged Israel and the Palestinians to stop the incursions and violence, saying: “Enough is enough.” But the president's appeal apparently fell on deaf ears. The Israeli offensive continued in the West Bank and a suicide bombing rocked a Jerusalem market shortly after Powell's arrival. After eight days of silence on the Middle East, Bush Wednesday declared himself “very satisfied” with Powell's nine-day mission in a speech from Lexington, Virginia, insisting But behind the scenes, The New York Times observed, Bush administration officials are leading a “rear-guard action” against the secretary of state, who seems more keen on pursuing a dialogue with Palestinian Chairman Yasser Arafat, whom other administration officials would like to see removed from authority. “There is no Israeli withdrawal, no Palestinian ceasefire and no promise of a return to negotiations,” said American University professor Mary-Jane Deeb, a specialist in US-Mideast relations. “This naturally constitutes a failure of the Powell mission, and therefore of President Bush.” Criticised for not setting the bar on Powell's mission high enough, the Bush administration seemed to understand that more than half a century of bitter conflict cannot be resolved overnight. The goal of Powell's mission, which ended with an aborted stop in Cairo on Wednesday, was to obtain a ceasefire agreement from Arafat and to have Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon withdraw his forces from the still-occupied West Bank towns of Ramallah, Bethlehem, Jenin and Nablus. But he said Wednesday that the resolute positions of both Israel and the Palestinians made any talk of ceasefire irrelevant. “`Ceasefire' is not a relevant term at the moment. But it will become relevant very quickly, I believe, when the incursion ends,” he said. The Washington Post opined the White House was now “getting a lesson in limitations.” On Tuesday, Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer acknowledged such limitations, saying the United States “can be an instrument in helping the parties, but the parties have to do it themselves.” The absence of tangible results from Powell's 10-day mission that took him to capitals throughout the region is “obviously not what one would like to have seen,” said Judith Kipper, a Middle East specialist at the Council on Foreign Relations. “I'm not sure that in the White House they fully understand who they are dealing with, who these leaders are and how profoundly traumatised, angry and afraid the population is, on both sides,” she added. But, acknowledging the “valiant efforts” of the Bush administration, Kipper said “this is just the first step on a very long road.” The Bush administration seems also to have failed to convince the Palestinians of its sincerity as a peacebroker. Earlier Wednesday, one of Arafat's top security chiefs, Colonel Mohammad Dahlan, accused Washington of “totally sponsoring the Israeli aggression.” A senior Palestinian official in Gaza City said Central Intelligence Agency director George Tenet is to return to the Middle East next week to tackle the Israeli-Palestinian security crisis. The Tenet plan, which establishes conditions for a ceasefire, and the Mitchell peace plan that outlines steps to a negotiation are the only US proposals currently on the table to resolve the conflict, which has raged for more than 18 months, killing around 2,000 people, the vast majority of them Palestinian.

To: John Soileau who wrote (84522)	4/18/2002 9:23:54 PM
From: d:oug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116815

John, Richnorth's approach to "tell it like it is" does not seem to agree with your and Dave's approach to defend the status quo so that total control is not lost to control the future. My approach is similiar to Richnorth's without me taking either side, but to simply lay out facts that are relevant to "the deeds men do" to explain "how we got here" with the message "of the day" that "The status quo sucks, so how can we change it for the better." Now you and Dave can ignore Richnorth for a few days here and just use me as sometime to bounce your opinions off of to see if the under-lining stuff you place your stuff on is solid or weak or just plain wrong if it's purpose is to resolve a conflict, or if its just to do battle using any means available, as in war, which includes as first calamity victim, truth. So what do you and Dave say? Collect my recent posts on the Middle East and include those i mentioned i posted to Zeev on his Sack to Jail thread, and lets discuss this situation from an avenue to understand how planet Earth got here, and how to travel to a place using a path different. (or) Continue like those on mainstream t.v. talk shows where each side hears only their own words etc. Your choice, Walk a Talk yes, but first do a Talk not of a "war" Talk approach. Move over, Finnegan's Wake. a.k.a. (or) a duh approach of sand-witch i'am not interested in such a folly reply ak