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Politics : The Arab-Israeli Solution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: stockman_scott who wrote (1357)	4/18/2002 2:43:35 PM
From: Frederick Langford	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 2279

Give me a break... When someone straps explosives on their body and proceeds to go to a place crowded with kids, such as a disco or a pizza restaurant, ignites the explosives with the sole intent to kill civilians, what the heck is it??? I guess that author wouldn't call the Sept 11th attack terrorism either, huh? Guess it takes all kinds... Fred

To: stockman_scott who wrote (1357)	4/18/2002 3:58:05 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 2279

re: drop the terrorism label: That's a good idea, as the whole world sees through our hypocrisy. The real definition of a "terrorist", used by all sides is: someone whose politics I don't like, who kills civilians. By definition, if I like their politics, they aren't a terrorist. Every nation has skeletons in their closet, and everyone's hands have blood on them. For instance: Take a 20$ bill, and look at the picture. He's a Hero, an American icon, one of our hallowed Founding Fathers, someone who every schoolchild is taught to revere. He's also a mass murderer, and the evidence for this is overwhelming, as he was proud of his genocide, and boasted of it when he was running for President. Before he became President, he was fighting a guerrilla war in Alabama and Mississippi. As is common in this type of war, it's hard to find the guerrilla army. But he knew how to win a guerrilla war: by separating the guerrillas from their civilian base of support. The method he used, is now called "ethnic cleansing." His army systematically went from village to village, first surrounding them so nobody could escape, then sending in soldiers to massacre everyone. As in Croatia, mass rape was also done, during the slaughter. There are stories of U.S. cavalry units, where every soldier had a string of scalps hanging from his saddle. The scalps were the pubic hair of Native women. Eventually, the remnants of the Native Nations east of the Mississippi were driven, starving, in mid-winter, into Oklahoma. All this is historical fact, which can be verified from reports of numerous observers. It happened in the early stages of the War of 1812, while Andrew Jackson was securing his supply route to New Orleans. Winning the Battle of New Orleans made him a hero, and got him elected President. And he's still a Hero. Just look in your wallet.

To: stockman_scott who wrote (1357)	4/18/2002 5:57:03 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2279

HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS SPEAK OUT Grieving survivors say the Israelis buried war crimes in heaps of reeking rubble By Phil Reeves in Jenin 17 April 2002 Internal links Robert Fisk: Fear and learning in America As Powell prepares to leave, the fighting flares again in Bethlehem Powell's diplomatic mission appears doomed to fail Besieged Bethlehem church burns as Catholic cleric blames Israel Rules on weapons exports to Israel to be tightened Gaunt and exhausted, tormented with worry about his missing family, Jamal Fayed yesterday wandered round the vast heap of reeking detritus where Israel has buried the war crimes of Jenin refugee camp. The last time Mr Fayed, a Palestinian science teacher, saw his wife and children, eight-year-old Majed and six-year-old Ahmed, was just after Israeli forces had invaded a fortnight ago. He told the family to leave their house because he feared a nearby Israeli tank was about to begin shelling. He stayed behind, because he thought that if he left with them the soldiers would open fire on them, assuming him to be a fighter. "Maybe they have gone to another village," he said. "I just don't know where they are." He stood in the dust of what used to be a large residential area, now reduced by Israeli bombardment and bulldozers to a wasteland, fetid with the stench of decomposing human bodies beneath it. Nearby, old women picked through the debris, trying to salvage the pitiful, battered remains of their lives. International aid workers are beginning the arduous task of establishing how many people were killed in the camp in the Israeli's so-called counter- terrorism operation, a long bout of fighting which culminated with the bulldozing by the army of hundreds of dwellings. Witnesses said civilians were inside. The UN agencies and Red Cross say they find a growing number of refugees who are missing relatives. Humanitarian aid workers who got into the devastated area of the camp yesterday reacted with deep anger and shock. A large area, about a third of a mile wide, has been flattened. Many other homes, half-wrecked by the heavy fighting, including rocket bombardments from Israeli helicopters, are uninhabitable. One official called the sight "absolutely unbelievable" and a "humanitarian catastrophe". A senior UN official said: "Given the deplorable and unprecedented refusal to allow international relief organisations in to the camps while people were slowly dying in the rubble of their wounds and thirst, the onus is definitely on the state of Israel to account for the missing thousands of refugees who lived in that camp until a few weeks ago. "I have not met one person in the international community who had any other explanation for this refusal other than the fact that they were hiding a war crime, in fact, two war crimes: the mass killing and the denial of humanitarian relief." news.independent.co.uk