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To: marcos who wrote (9939)	4/19/2002 2:28:07 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

It could be argued that 'the commons' of which Tim and TP are speaking, is this little planet in its entirety Why don't we have a worldwide Jim Jones party? Then "the commons" will never have to worry about us rapacious humans again? Again, "the commons" is socialism. Let's get our terms straight. It's nothing but another attempt to paper over reality by nothing but changing words. "Socialism" got a bad smell to it, so let's change it to "the commons". "Negro" got a bad smell, so change it to "black". But changing words doesn't change reality. Except for those who practice PC.

To: marcos who wrote (9939)	4/19/2002 3:05:33 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 21057

If you are a logger then you know that the watershed from which you cut determines how fast (or if) regrowth is possible. 50 year old forest in sea-level Western Washington where I grew up is pretty decent in terms of tree density. Not so in the elevated areas due to a shorter growing season. The loss of habitat has been largely in the temperate rainforest. 12% of that is not remaining and I'd have you check your numbers on that. I think you will find it is more like 1% of that particular habitat. Now, of the alpine community, it may be as much as 90% is left. But, really, that is not good stewardship. A lot of what has been locked up is, quite frankly, not very loggable (in a sustained way). No trees or biodiversity on rocks, a glacier or lake, right? .