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To: LindyBill who wrote (26148)	4/19/2002 11:37:30 PM
From: art slott	Respond to of 281500

Remember the "500 massacred" figure. Nice round number I wonder how they new it was exactly 500. Maybe they should have said 502 or 497 or 747. Whatever happened to that 500 number? They've lied so often that they don't know anything else. I don't believe anything they ever say. Zero. That doesn't mean they never tell the truth. But it's so rare who would ever know.

To: LindyBill who wrote (26148)	4/20/2002 9:08:12 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

>>U.S. envoy Burns calls Jenin refugee camp a 'terrible tragedy' JENIN - A U.S. Middle East envoy toured the ruins of Jenin refugee camp on Saturday after an Israeli army pullback, saying enormous suffering had been visited on Palestinian civilians there. "I just think what we are seeing here is a terrible human tragedy," William Burns, assistant-secretary of state for the Near East, said in the camp's central square. "It's obvious that what happened here in the Jenin camp has caused enormous human suffering for thousands of Palestinian civilians," said Burns, the most senior U.S. official to visit the camp since Israeli forces pulled out on Friday. Burns called for aid agencies to be granted free access to the camp. He would not comment on Palestinian accusations that troops had committed a massacre in what Israel has called a "hornet's nest of terrorists" and the launch-pad for 23 suicide attacks. "I think it's vitally important, obvious to anyone who can see, to provide full and complete access to relief agencies so that they can do their work, so that they can get equipment and supplies here," Burns declared. "It's important that the United Nations is going to launch a fact-finding mission to try to find exactly what happened here with the cooperation of Palestinians and Israelis both," he added. UN envoy denies accusing Israel of massacre in Jenin refugee camp At a press conference held Friday at the American Colony hotel in East Jerusalem, United Nations envoy to the Middle East Terje Roed-Larsen said that he had not accused Israel of carrying out a massacre in the Jenin refugee camp, and that he was not yet in possession of all the facts regarding what had happened during the IDF military operation in the Jenin refugee camp. The envoy Thursday called the scene in the camp "horrifying beyond belief" and demanded unfettered access by international humanitarian agencies. << More at: haaretzdaily.com OK, I guess you'll have to add the US envoy to the list of people who are contributing to the "media attack."

To: LindyBill who wrote (26148)	4/20/2002 12:02:26 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Judt's article is not about any "massacre." I assume you meant to say it was by linking it to my posting of his article. His argument is quite different, much larger. As for Jenin, I just glimpsed a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia under either Bush I or Reagan, couldn't get the type too well, but his last name was Murphy, argue that Jenin has now gone into the mythology of this incursion and is likely to become a rallying cry in the Arab streets. I think the best Israeli response will be to get a responsible and disinterested international team in to investigate everything about it. And do so soon rather than later.