To: Solon who wrote (10057 ) 4/20/2002 8:48:37 AM From: Rick Julian Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21057 Most of this seems so utterly self-evident (to me) that I have a hard time understanding why a seemingly intelligent person (you) doesn't "get it". On the chance that in fact I'm out of my mind, let me see if I can break it down for for both of us. Sexual behaviors are a subset of physical behaviors. So let us begin by examining the universal set (working under the general assumption that if a pond freezes at 32 degrees, so will a cup of its water): Question Are there specific physical behaviors that have psychological manifestations that sully the mind––even if these behaviors originate in choices and values?Example: If a white man makes the choice to set fire to a church, based on his values that the black people inside are subhuman, does this action actually sully his mind? Granted his mind was a fairly toxic place before he acted, but does the performance of the act of arson sully it even further? If this man consciously, chose to repeat this same act, consistent with his racist values over the course of many years, would (at say the 5 year anniversary of his arsonist activities) his mind as a direct result of the repetition of this act be more sullied than when he began? There are endless examples of this: the effect of being an executioner on the executioner's mind, the effect of being a rapist on the rapist's mind . . . The converse effect of positive physical behaviors having positive effects on the human mind is also true:Example Within programs where juvenile delinquents are given pets to care for and nurture, the incidence of their negative "acting out" behaviors are reduced, and they self-report higher self esteem, and better relationships among their peers. The physical acts of feeding, petting, and generally attending to the needs of another creature in a positive fashion have [NEWSFLASH] positive psychological effects on the actors. Repeating these same behaviors over a span of time reinforces this psychological effect.Example People who begin practicing yoga report a decrease in stress ( a psychological manifestation that is a direct result of a physical action) higher self esteem (ditto), among many other positive mental and physical benefits. Long term practitioners report extended benefits commensurate with their history with yoga. Now back to the original scenario of "Barbara", but this time let's describe her as being a graduate of Lincoln High School that has never had a manicure, drives a Nova, and works the register at the Hop 'n Shop down on 5th Street. Her husband enjoys "putting a leather mask over her head, having her wear a dog collar, and watching her have sex with his boss."Questions 1. Does this behavior have a psychological impact on Barbara? 2. Repeating this behavior over a span of years, would the psychological impact deepen? In conclusion, I don't think it's "nonsense" to conclude that Barbara's mental health is "sullied" by this experience.