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To: BigBull who wrote (26292)	4/21/2002 12:26:16 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The NY Times has a review of the Battle of Jenin: In the beginning, Palestinian fighters thought that the Israeli troops would do little more than push into one area and then depart, as they had done twice before this year. Israeli soldiers, most of them reservists abruptly summoned from civilian life and given three days' training, thought the Palestinian fighters would fight for a while, then do the sensible thing and surrender. But the Palestinians chose to make a stand, and this time the Israelis meant business. ... "We didn't expect them to use such military force against the camp," admitted one Palestinian fighter, who was badly wounded two days into the battle. Similarly, Israeli soldiers said they did not anticipate such fierce resistance. "The Palestinians were really prepared," said Sgt. Dov Rifken, 20, who manned an antiaircraft gun here. In Rubble of a Refugee Camp, Bitter Lessons for 2 Enemies nytimes.com

To: BigBull who wrote (26292)	4/21/2002 11:03:11 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

I really wouldn't give Montgomery much create for El Alamein.. That was a strict battle of attrition against a severely depleted Afrika Korps, not led by Rommel (he was in Germany on sick leave). And worse for the Germans, Gen. Stumme, acting commander, suffered a heart attack early in the battle which left the Germans and Italians leaderless for a crucial 24 hours. Overall, the British suffered more actually KIA and WIA than the Germans, but captured some 30,000 prisoners. Only because the 8th army was roughly twice as large were they able to absorb those losses. cyberlearning-world.com But even worse, Montgomery failed to actively pursue Rommel (who had returned to lead a fighting retreat back to Tunisia) and permitted the AK to dig in at the Mareth line: sonic.net Montgomery was always an Infantry style commander and truly never grasped maneuver warfare (as displayed with the disastrously planned and executed, Operation Market-Garden). And although this is all 20/20 hindsight, I think a pretty good case can be made that his cautious nature, assumably to avoid excessive casualities and waiting until he had overwhelming superiority, ultimately caused more casualities in the long run. Hawk