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To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (26294)	4/21/2002 2:45:17 AM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 281500

There was cultural and economic reasons that provided framework for peaceful developments of both Japan and Germany Are you saying Israelis and Palestinians have nothing in common culturally? I don't think that's true, if that's what you mean. But even if it is true, it doesn't mean they can't get along in the future - before the last infitada Palestinian and Israeli business folk were doing business with each other.... The culture in common throughout the middle east, as elsewhere, is commerce - this has been evident for centuries - commerce requires trust and cooperation which is a good start for most ventures.. ... I can continue on and on but do not see why you will continue to pile up demagogy Meaningless. Do you know why most conflicts this days are on the borders of Muslim countries (including Muslim/Muslim and Muslim other cultures) Which conflicts are you referring to? Which countries have highest %% of GDP devoted to "defense" Muslim countries, probably, since that's where you're trying to lead me. They don't need the weapons, I know.... They haven't tried " Yes, Israel did not have a chance to try:Israel was attacked on the very first day of existence. Yes. Israel was attacked and was victorious fifty years ago and since then, each time. But my point, and it's a good one, is that Israel can't afford, economically, socially, militarily, ethically , to have a Palestinian colony in the lands conquered in their last big war. Succinctly, it degrades both Palestinians and Israelis. Times of colonization are over. Both Israelis and Palestinians undermined the Oslo agreements. Both Israel and Palestinians have underlying ideologies in their societies which are counter-productive - it's evident in the Palestinian policy (much reinforced by outside influence) of victory or nothing, and it's evident in Isreal's Jewish settlements in the captured territories. A personal note: I know and like people of both cultures. But this doesn't obscure for me the fact that there are ideological currents running through both cultures, though not held by all members of either culture, which are triumphalist and totalitarian. It's less evident in the Israeli culture than the Palestinian, but it shows up in Israel's difficulties in its conquered territories. If you don't like me saying that, disprove it.