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Politics : The Arab-Israeli Solution -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (1408)	4/21/2002 4:29:42 AM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2279

<<What Christians don't know about Israel>> Amein: Interesting article...Do you have a link to the source..? thanks. -Scott

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (1408)	4/21/2002 5:57:46 AM
From: William B. Kohn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2279

At first I tried to think that those that attacked your charachter were being unfair, because I want to believe that people ought to have the freedom to express their ideas. But you, sir (and I use that term loosely) are evil. This 'article' for which you provided no real source, is really nothing more than slanderous propaganda. First, I will admit, that the world in 1960 was vastly different than it is today. Today, Israel has very strict rules on 'interegation' and tourture, even by American standards is not permitted. I would like to point out that the methods Israel uses were VASTLY less drastic than the an individual would receive anywhere else in the MiddleEast. Second, as to Israel warranting so many reporters. Come on, even a two year old can see through that one. Israel warrants so many reporters for several reasons. First there is a war going on, war demands coverage. Second, the media is controlled by a liberal lobby, vastly stronger than any Jewish lobby, and this liberal lobby uses their reporter clout to spread the message that the Palestinians are 'innocent victims of oppression, and ...' while the Israeli's are portrayed as 'evil Zionists'. Anyone who would walk around Tel Aviv on a Friday night or during the day on Saturday, would see many things, but 'evil zionism' is not one of them. I try hard not to further inflame the situation by spreading bullshit about my Arab neighbors, and if you really want to find a solution, realize that the answer does not come from demanizing your opponent, but in finding the will to confront the challanges and work towards understanding. Although you seem to want others to 'understand Islam' you sure as hell don't show the desire to understand the whole picture in the Middle East.

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (1408)	4/21/2002 4:43:14 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 2279

Amein... That's an interesting article, but I have to ask you whether you really believe the Talmud permits Jews to kill non-Jews with impunity? If that's truly the case, and the Israeli government is actively pursuing such a policy, then why has the Arab population increased so dramatically on the West Bank and in Israel?? In fact, why have the Israelis granted outright citizenship to their own Arab population, while Jordan forbade the sale, on pain of death, of any land to Jews during the period they ruled the territories?? Btw, have you ever read Sura 17:100-104?? hti.umich.edu [17.100] Say: If you control the treasures of the mercy of my Lord, then you would withhold (them) from fear of spending, and man is niggardly. [17.101] And certainly We gave Musa nine clear signs; so ask the children of Israel. When he came to them, Firon said to him: Most surely I deem you, O Musa, to be a man deprived of reason. [17.102] He said: Truly you know that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has sent down these as clear proof and most surely I believe you, O Firon, to be given over to perdition. [17.103] So he desired to destroy them out of the earth, but We drowned him and those with him all together; [17.104] And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment. And btw, please note Allah is discussing the day of judgement when the Jews shall return to their homeland, and Allah blesses such a goal.. Indeed, for the final judgement to come, the Jews must return. Yet, the Islamic extremists, who neither know, nor care, about the teachings of the Koran (but only that which feeds their hatred), ignore the will of Allah as stated in the above Sura. Hawk

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (1408)	7/20/2002 12:23:27 PM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2279

Thank you for posting an eye-opening and a very interesting article by Grace Halsell. Just in case you didn't know already, there are dedicated individuals on this thread and elsewhere that endeavor to discourage the posting of messages that, in their opinion, are pro-Palestinian or anti-U.S or critical of Israel. In the days immediately following 9/11, I posted a number of messages which, unfortunately for me, were misconstrued by some folks (who thought they always knew things better than others) to be anti-U.S. and/or anti-Israel and pro-Arabs. Of course, these folks could not realize at that time that their hysteria had more than distorted their perception of reality. Suddenly I was considered a very dangerous person, and a certain witch put me on the top of her "list" of nogoodniks. (This, of course, was a self-serving "threat" to please the hearts of all and sundry save those on her list. But, in her hysteria, she didn't realize she was violating an SI rule.) Shortly after that, some self-styled "shrink" attempted to ridicule me, and he questioned my sanity and declared that I needed help. Apparently he thought I would be so humiliated that I would slink away in silence for good. Well, that shrink's mission to get me off SI failed miserably!!! If you would continue posting more articles deemed to be pro-Palestinian or anti-U.S. or critical of Israel, I am sure your sanity will be questioned and you will be told you posted such stuff only because you were trying to compensate for your "inferiority complex" (whatever that might mean). Already I see one "Kohn" (Kohn is a variant of the Jewish name Cohen) takes exception to the message you posted. May I urge you to keep on posting. Just ignore the efforts of self-serving buzzards to "sanitize" this GPM thread: all they want is for everyone to act like ostriches hiding their heads 'neath the desert sand or to be singing a thousand halleluyahs and hosanas in unison forever and ever.

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (1408)	7/21/2002 2:42:25 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 2279

Boy, this woman must have been a treasure to her Palestinian instructors. Arriving with totally unrealistic visions (by her own admission), innocent of any knowledge of history whatsoever, she was was ready to swallow their narrative whole. Indigeneous for 2,000 years, yada, yada. Has she any clue how many different people have trooped through that part of Syria (as it used to be) in the last 200 years, let alone 2000? What's more, the Israelis are not saints and fight mean! How absolutely shocking! She expected them to be mystical and pure! It sounds like she listened wide-eyed and believed whatever they told her without question or fact-checking. It's also plain that she's too silly to even understand the American news business, the business she's supposedly in: To these church audiences, I related my own learning experience, that of seeing hordes of US correspondents covering a relatively tiny state. I pointed out that I had not seen so many reporters in world capitals such as Beijing, Moscow, London, Tokyo, Paris. Why, I asked, did a small state with a 1980 population of only four million warrant more reporters than China, with a billion people? I also linked this query with my findings that The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post - and most of our nation's print media - are owned and/or controlled by Jews supportive of Israel. It was for this reason, I deduced, that they sent so many reporters to cover Israel - and to do so largely from the Israeli point of view. The Zionist lobby is the only possible reason for the coverage, huh? It couldn't be because most Americans are religious and therefore intensely interested in Israel (but not necessarily Israelis or Palestinians)? It couldn't be because there is a dramatic conflict going on, one that sells papers? It certainly couldn't be because newspapers absolutely must cover the Mideast, and Israel is the only country in the region that a reporter can work from, because it's the only country in the region with a free press (how many press bureaus are in Cairo and Damascus and Riyadh? There are a 1000 in Jerusalem)? Nah, that can't be it, must be the Zionist lobby that runs America. What a fool. Or rather, what a useful idiot, to use Lenin's term.