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To: TimF who wrote (146062)4/23/2002 7:26:59 PM
From: AK2004  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575985
 
Tim
we can go farther with that logic and assume that it is a duty of each human male to procreate with all females so that as many eggs as possible would awake as humans 9 months later.
In general I would not have a problem with that but the male chauvinist pig in me keep reminding me that it is unlikely that those that I would get would look anything like Mila Javovich..... ;-))
-Albert



To: TimF who wrote (146062)4/23/2002 10:22:10 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1575985
 
How is an embryo the equivalent to the fully formed
human?

In many ways people are not equivalent to each other, for example a severely retarded person with an IQ of 55 will probably not have as much impact on the world as a normal person, let alone an Isaac Newton, an Albert Einstein or a Michaelangelo, but we are all distinct living members of the species homo sapiens and we all have some level of human potential.


When I talk about equivalency, I am not saying that the embryo has a lesser IQ or a lesser consciousness or lesser awareness to someone else.......I am saying it has none because there are no brain waves. Without brain activity, sentience as we know it is not possible.

Imagine a person in a deep coma, so deep that it could be considered a persistant vegitative state. If a human suffers brain damage that wipes out all higher brain functions, it is often not considered unethical. However if the person in this coma would most likely in the course of the next few weeks or months come out of it and start responding to the world then I would say it is murder if you pull the plug. I look at the early fetus and even the embryo as being equivilent to someone in this temporary vegitative state.

If there are no brain waves, they pull the plug......the person is considered dead.

The unborn are humans who for a time do not have higher brain function but they still have full human potential.

Its not about higher brain functions, they have no brain functions period.

Another analogy could be drawn to some one in some sort of suspended animation, perhaps kept that way until a cure for a fatal disease is found or so that he will still be alive when a space ship reaches some distant star. While he is in this "cold sleep", the brain does not function, the chemical processes of the body have paused, but that doesn't mean it would be ok to kill him.

None of these are analogous because the embryo does not have measurable brain waves; its a clump of cells. Eventually it will form a human being but in the first trimester its still in the developmental stage.

ted