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To: Petz who wrote (78369)	4/25/2002 3:33:57 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

What a laugh! Intel discloses non-working first silicon for their bloated Madison, which will cost 4x as much as Opteron. I think it's your brain that's non-working. Where do you read that Madison is non-working? TRANSLATION - non-working first silicon, or why didn't they show it working Because they haven't started shipping McKinley yet in production volumes. Why show the successor to what you haven't released yet? Considering that McKinley will blow away Hammer, you don't even want to know about Madison. EP

To: Petz who wrote (78369)	4/25/2002 5:42:54 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 275872

Petz, Re: ""will ship next year" - Yea, like WHEN?" Given that they already have first silicon out, product launch would usually be about 9-12 months away (especially since this design is more like a shrink + cache, which tend to reach the market more quickly, as compared to a major redesign like McKinley). You might have a point about the non-working silicon, in which case, there may need to be another stepping. This would certainly put product launch on the far end of the scale, or perhaps push it out by a month (depending on how severe the problem is). I would expect the launch to come in the first half of 2003, even if you are correct about the silicon being "non-working". It likely won't be trailing Opteron (another "first half" launch) by more than a quarter, and it could be quite competitive in terms of performance. If Madison has 64-bit performance that meets or exceeds Opteron, then it might come down to a race for who can get major software support first. In that case, my money would be on Intel, given the fact that they've had a year or more of a "head start". wbmw