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To: i-node who wrote (146467)	4/26/2002 10:01:44 AM
From: richard surckla	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571399

David Ray... "You can argue it is unfair, but it simply cannot justify barbaric Palestinian* actions of murdering innocent civilians."* REALLY! clip (1): "The dead are everywhere. Kamal Anis, a labourer, leads us to an area called Harat al-Hawashim, a mound of rubble the size of four football pitches where 200 houses once stood. He says the Israelis levelled the place; he saw them pile bodies into a mass grave, dump earth on top, then ran over it to flatten it. There are still bulldozers and tanks at work, sending us fleeing into destroyed buildings. There is the sound of children crying. There are people looking for survivors under rubble." news.independent.co.uk clip (2): "This was not only a town of fighters, as Israeli soldiers told me. It was a town of women, children and old men, who have seen the camp grow into a warren of ramshackle homes over half a century." thetimes.co.uk clip (3): "We stared at a mound of debris. Here, he said, he saw the Israeli soldiers pile 30 bodies beneath a half-wrecked house. When the pile was complete, they bulldozed the building, bringing its ruins down on the corpses. Then they flattened the area with a tank. We could not see the bodies. But we could smell them." news.independent.co.uk clip (4): "The evidence of lives interrupted was everywhere. Plates of food sat in refrigerators in houses sheared in half by Israeli bulldozers. Pages from children's exercise books fluttered in the breeze." guardian.co.uk clip (5): "When we penetrated into the exclusion zone yesterday, by walking across a hilltop and finding an unguarded flank, it became clear why the Israelis had done their utmost to shield Jenin camp from prying eyes." telegraph.co.uk

To: i-node who wrote (146467)	4/26/2002 10:55:35 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571399

Frankly, I see absolutely zero difference between a "war criminal" and a "terrorist". They're both the lowest of the low. I agree that they are both low, but it can be useful to make distinctions between the low. A murderer is different then a child molester, an extortionist is different then a embezzler. Of course they are the same in that they are all criminals and that their should be negative consequences for their actions but their is no "zero difference" between them. They might deserve different levels of punishment, and they might respond to various incentives and disincentives differently. Tim

To: i-node who wrote (146467)	4/26/2002 1:38:28 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571399

I agree that Israel's actions present no path to peace, and for that reason, I think Bush's position is a positive thing, in spite of the fact it appears inconsistent with his "Bush Doctrine". I think he recognizes it is a different kind of conflict. I doubt Bush recognizes anything. He is caught between a rock and a hard place. He's got the Saudis on one side and the Israelis on the other, and they both are putting on the squeeze. This White House is about to face its first real challenge in foreign diplomacy. It will make the Afghan scenario look like a cakewalk. I don't envy them.

To: i-node who wrote (146467)	4/28/2002 10:53:52 PM
From: Mani1	Respond to of 1571399

Re <<You can argue it is unfair, but it simply cannot justify barbaric Palestinian actions of murdering innocent civilians. >> Of course not!! Re <<What is Arafat? Frankly, I see absolutely zero difference between a "war criminal" and a "terrorist". They're both the lowest of the low. >> Yes I agree 100%. I have never had, or never will have anything good to day about a terrorist who kills innocent civilians. Arafat and Sharon are from the same low life breed. Arafat and Sharon need each other to stay in power. Nice post Ray, even your buddy Ted must agree :) Mani