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To: Solon who wrote (11048)4/27/2002 9:26:26 AM
From: average joe  Respond to of 21057
 
"Frankly, I could care less about your claim that "homophobic" confuses you, and that you find it frustrating. That is a truckload of pig manure. You looked up the word in half a dozen dictionaries, and you are not at all confused by what it means. Frankly, I think anyone who believes they are born "better" than anyone else and who are so tight-assed about their moral extremism that they fight for the right to ride a moral high horse of smug superiority because they were born with a certain colour, gender, or hormonal make-up, are simply hypocritical a-sholes.

Well if you find real too hurtful you could pack up you wayward crew and sail off for here. The last refuge of those who evade reality is some sort of gated community.

Subject 51262

You should perhaps take a manifesto or creed of some sort to help you in the wilderness. The following would be a good starting point but I'm sure you can expand on it.

gos.sbc.edu

"It is a dangerous thing to order the lives of others and I have often wondered at the self-confidence of politicians, reformers and suchlike who are prepared to force upon their fellows measures that must alter their manners, habits and points of view. I have always hesitated to give advice, for how can one advise another how to act unless one knows that other as well as one knows oneself? Heaven knows, I know little enough of myself: I know nothing of others. We can only guess at the thoughts and emotions of our neighbours. Each one of us is a prisoner in a solitary tower and he communicates with the other prisoners, who form mankind, by conventional signs that have not quite the same meaning for them as for himself. And life, unfortunately, is something that you can lead but once; mistakes are often irreparable, and who am I that I should tell this one and that how he should lead it? Life is a difficult business and I have found it hard enough to make my own a complete and rounded thing; I have not been tempted to teach my neighbour what he should do with his. But there are men who flounder at the journey's start, the way before them is confused and hazardous, and on occasion, however unwillingly, I have been forced to point the finger of fate. Sometimes men have said to me, what shall I do with my life? and I have seen myself for a moment wrapped in the dark cloak of Destiny. Once I know that I advised well..."

opening paragraph of: "The Happy Man" by W. Somerset Maugham



To: Solon who wrote (11048)4/29/2002 11:01:56 AM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 21057
 
You appeared that you had accepted it. You let it stand, and you have not tried to refute it...

That's not true unless you only count direct replies to you.

I don't think saying "I have dealt with this before and don't feel like repeating myself" amounts to acceptance. In fact even if I had not dealt with it before a post containing that sentence would not amount to acceptance.

"How many of those are relatively new words"

A lot of them!!


Nice out of context quote.

The full quote is -
"How many of those are relatively new words that recently have been used a lot on this thread and are intentionally imprecise so as to be a way to attack people by implying things about them that are not or at least may not be true?"

"Of course. Any one who reads any of your arguments is going to be so dazzled by your brilliance that they will be unable to argue their points any more... And since we all know that you are always right about everything there is no need for further discussion one you have had your say."

I am not surprised to encounter this childish outburst of invective and personal insult from you, Tim!


It was entirely appropriate as a response to your statement - "If you have already read this then I will consider that you accept my point, and that the matter is closed. Thanks for listening."

Your propensity for personal attack has surfaced in the past from behind your disguise

That's a joke right? 1 - This is a "boxing ring". 2 - Personal attacks from me are rare, far less common then similar attacks from you. When I do make attacks they are short and usually mild, and related to the post I am replying to. But if you desire to think that my normal manner of posting is just a facade, I won't make any more effort to convince you otherwise.

Are you angry because you don't like the proposition that homosexuals are persons, Tim?

I'm not angry, and I wasn't when I made that post. Annoyed perhaps but not angry. I also fully accept homosexuals as persons and can't think of any post here where I even vaguely hinted otherwise.

Nobody on this planet should need to be born with the default status of being lesser than others such that they require to be "tolerated"...should they, Tim? People are not born with a "better" colour or a "better" gender, or a "better" sexual orientation...are they, Tim?

Please link to a post here where I talked about people having a better colour or sex or sexual orientation. Also why do you have a problem with tolerance? Am I required to actually run around shouting for joy about other people's sexual practices? I consider it enough that I let them do what they want and they let me do what I want as long as everything involves consenting adults and no one gets hurt. Perhaps you have a different opinion.

Sexual orientation is not a mental illness; it is not a disease.

Please link to a post where I said it was.

Tim