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To: Srexley who wrote (251923)4/30/2002 12:36:35 AM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
And if its about religion, then the Palestinians are simply racists, and they aren't worth the time of day"

There appears to be an element of truth to this, don't you think?


Sure there is but that's not the whole story and yet there are people working diligently trying to convince everyone that it is.

"And the Palestinians got screwed, the Israelis wouldn't let them come back home and so they were put into refugee camps........so much for the new Palestinian state"

If your synopsis is true, the Palestinians screwed themselves. Put yourself in Israel's position. If your neighbor moved out so his friends could run you out of your house so that he could have it, would you want that neighbor back? Does he deserve to be back? To me the solution would be for the Arab nations that asked (or encouraged) the Palestinians to leave to offer them a state.


You would be correct if their shared history started in 1948 but it did not. In mid 19th century Palestine, there were few Jews living in that region. Mostly it was Arabs with a sprinkling of Christians and Jews. I think the population of Arabs was somewhere between 300,000 to 500,000. They were mostly farmers and shepherds. Haifa and Jaffa were Arab cities and towns.

In the late 19th century the first Zionists emigrated to Palestine......many of them were Hassidim who wanted to be close to the Holy Land and didn't much care about creating a nation state. I think the total number of emigrants in the 19th century was 35000. Over time, more Zionists came to Palestine and by the early twentieth century there were a couple hundred thousand Jews living among the Arabs.

By the twenties, the Zionists were buying up land and holding talks with Britain who ruled Palestine under a Mandate about creating a Jewish state. At that time, there were accusations by the Palestinians that the Zionists collaborated with the British and some Arab land had been stolen. I do not have a clue as to the truth of those allegations. But the feud between the Arabs and Jews was heating up.

In the 1930s, the Arabs and Jews were openly hostile and were staging attacks against each other. By the mid 30's the Palestinians openly revolted against British rule. They felt that the Zionists and Britain were collaborating to force the Arabs out of Palestine inspite of the fact that England had promised the Palestinians their own state. I don't know if the Arab allegations were true but there were talks among the Zionists of an Arab transfer policy. The argument was that the Arabs would constitute a majority in the new Jewish state, making it hard on the new state to work effectively. Israel claims that there was never such talk.......so I don't know if it was a figment of the Arabs' imagination or not.

In the meantime, the Arabs openly revolted a number of times in the years leading up to Israel's statehood. Compromises were offered to appease them but in the end the state was created over their objections.

"That does not change the fact that they had lived there for centuries and certainly had squatters' rights..."

Why do you think that "squatters" keep their "rights" after they leave? Particularly if they left so that Israel could be destroyed.


I think its been argued successivefully that when people are forced out due to war that their propety rights remain intact. Isn't that what's happened in many of the Eastern European countries? People are returning to claim their ancestors property?

ted






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